do damaged ships eventually sink?

DVAFP · 04-06-10, 11:54 PM

seems to me that after you hit 2 or 3 sometimes even 4 torpedos, if the ship doesnt sink it just carries on as if nothing happened but completly on fire, maybe its destroyed 99% but until you give it the final blow it wont sink. If i remember correctly in previous SH games the ships would slowly deteriorate until they sank or were repaired.

can someone confirm this for me?

another thing, i never saw a ship capsize or break apart, whats with that?

Other bugs that bug me are that destroyers ram you and dont do any damage and depth charges dont really hurt that much.

kylania · 04-07-10, 12:15 AM

In the stock game no, it's entirely HP, if you don't outright kill the ship it's gonna keep on keeping on as if nothing happened, while entirely on fire.

You can install a mod like Better And Realistic Flotation to fix this issue though, where ships will list, slow down, sink slowly and flood.

Nisgeis · 04-07-10, 01:21 AM

Sorry Kylania, not wanting to directly contradict you, but I have seen some ships sink from flooding, rather than having their HP at zero in stock. The trend seems to be if the blue bar (flooding) is lower than the white bar (HP) then the ship will slowly sink, e.g. it's doomed, but it won't show up as a ship sunk icon until it goes under. If the blue bar is more full than the white bar, then you'll need to get its HP to zero.

kylania · 04-07-10, 01:26 AM

That's good to hear! In the 13 days or so that I played with health bars on and without the BRF mod I never saw the blue bar move once.

Though, come to think of it a lot of my early kills were tankers and those suckers are tough to sink even after all the mods! I've twice now nearly been sunk by armed merchants trying to deck gun down a stubborn tanker that I felt should have sunk by the two torpedoes I'd already hit him with!

mcarlsonus · 04-07-10, 01:34 AM

but, GEE, "kylania," in another thread you're trying to convince everyone that Ubi's upcoming patch'll take care of everything, but, over here, you're saying one needs a mod made by an, "oppressed modder" to make everything work properly? I'm CONFUSED!! (do you work for Ubi, by any chance? You kind of strike me as someone who posts whatever seems to fit the bill, veracity not being a factor...)

DVAFP · 04-07-10, 05:20 AM

im going to give that mod along with damage assessment a try, thanks

Bilge_Rat · 04-07-10, 06:01 AM

elainaba did mention that flooding is taken into account in SH5, it is not just a straight HP calculation.

Temujin · 04-07-10, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

You can install a mod like Better And Realistic Flotation to fix this issue though, where ships will list, slow down, sink slowly and flood.

I just installed tThat BRF mod (full version) and went back to one of my recent kills to see if she'll go down all by herself from her floodings...

Hmmm..

Sorry to say, but I can't detect any change from playing with that mod or without.

Maybe there is a something else that I missed?

Temujin

robbo180265 · 04-07-10, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Temujin

I just installed tThat BRF mod (full version) and went back to one of my recent kills to see if she'll go down all by herself from her floodings...

Hmmm..

Sorry to say, but I can't detect any change from playing with that mod or without.

Maybe there is a something else that I missed?

Temujin

I could be wrong....

But isn't there a bug where if you save and reload near a damaged ship, the ship regains all its hitpoints?

I'm sure I read about that somewhere. If that is the case maybe you should head out and kill something new, or just kill it again?

senjorlossi · 04-07-10, 06:54 AM

Hi there,

The game doesen´t save the damage condition of a ship. If you save and re-load, the ship will appear undamaged. Happened to me when I crippeled 3 ships in a convoy and had to quit playing before I could finish them off. After re-loading the stricken ships just went on undamaged.

For now I make sure that I have enought time to finish a battle before I engage...

scl · 04-07-10, 07:31 AM

On a slightly different tack.... has anyone managed to cripple a target, i.e. damage its steering or propulsion and to actually see the results in game? I've repeatedly hit and nether regions of merchants with a deck gun just to see them maintain course almost regardless - unless my aiming is really bad (probably!

). I've seen targets change direction but I thought it was more to avoid my sub than results of damage.

Back on topic, I've just downloaded the critical hit mod in the d/l which supposed to change flooding values of tagets. No tried it yet tho.

IanC · 04-07-10, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by senjorlossi

The game doesen´t save the damage condition of a ship. If you save and re-load, the ship will appear undamaged.

Wonderful.

kylania · 04-07-10, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

Wonderful.

Been that way since SH3...

IanC · 04-07-10, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylania

Been that way since SH3...

Exactly.

Aufklarer · 04-07-10, 08:33 AM

The morale of the story is, torpedo it some more, if you run out of torpedoes them deck gun it if you run out of ammo for that then flak gun it and if that dont do the job then im afraid its 'all ahead full, ramming speed! and some brace for impact!'

In essence sink the ship at all costs then go ahead and save your game :P

04-06-10, 11:54 PM	#1
DVAFP Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	do damaged ships eventually sink? seems to me that after you hit 2 or 3 sometimes even 4 torpedos, if the ship doesnt sink it just carries on as if nothing happened but completly on fire, maybe its destroyed 99% but until you give it the final blow it wont sink. If i remember correctly in previous SH games the ships would slowly deteriorate until they sank or were repaired. can someone confirm this for me? another thing, i never saw a ship capsize or break apart, whats with that? Other bugs that bug me are that destroyers ram you and dont do any damage and depth charges dont really hurt that much.

04-07-10, 12:15 AM	#2
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	In the stock game no, it's entirely HP, if you don't outright kill the ship it's gonna keep on keeping on as if nothing happened, while entirely on fire. You can install a mod like Better And Realistic Flotation to fix this issue though, where ships will list, slow down, sink slowly and flood. __________________

04-07-10, 01:21 AM	#3
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Sorry Kylania, not wanting to directly contradict you, but I have seen some ships sink from flooding, rather than having their HP at zero in stock. The trend seems to be if the blue bar (flooding) is lower than the white bar (HP) then the ship will slowly sink, e.g. it's doomed, but it won't show up as a ship sunk icon until it goes under. If the blue bar is more full than the white bar, then you'll need to get its HP to zero. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

04-07-10, 01:26 AM	#4
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	That's good to hear! In the 13 days or so that I played with health bars on and without the BRF mod I never saw the blue bar move once. Though, come to think of it a lot of my early kills were tankers and those suckers are tough to sink even after all the mods! I've twice now nearly been sunk by armed merchants trying to deck gun down a stubborn tanker that I felt should have sunk by the two torpedoes I'd already hit him with! __________________

04-07-10, 06:01 AM	#7
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	elainaba did mention that flooding is taken into account in SH5, it is not just a straight HP calculation. __________________

04-07-10, 01:34 AM	#5
mcarlsonus Weps Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 362 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	but, GEE, "kylania," in another thread you're trying to convince everyone that Ubi's upcoming patch'll take care of everything, but, over here, you're saying one needs a mod made by an, "oppressed modder" to make everything work properly? I'm CONFUSED!! (do you work for Ubi, by any chance? You kind of strike me as someone who posts whatever seems to fit the bill, veracity not being a factor...)

04-07-10, 05:20 AM	#6
DVAFP Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	im going to give that mod along with damage assessment a try, thanks

04-07-10, 06:54 AM	#10
senjorlossi Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 42 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	Hi there, The game doesen´t save the damage condition of a ship. If you save and re-load, the ship will appear undamaged. Happened to me when I crippeled 3 ships in a convoy and had to quit playing before I could finish them off. After re-loading the stricken ships just went on undamaged. For now I make sure that I have enought time to finish a battle before I engage... __________________ Best regards, Stefan.

04-07-10, 07:31 AM	#11
scl Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	On a slightly different tack.... has anyone managed to cripple a target, i.e. damage its steering or propulsion and to actually see the results in game? I've repeatedly hit and nether regions of merchants with a deck gun just to see them maintain course almost regardless - unless my aiming is really bad (probably! ). I've seen targets change direction but I thought it was more to avoid my sub than results of damage. Back on topic, I've just downloaded the critical hit mod in the d/l which supposed to change flooding values of tagets. No tried it yet tho.

04-07-10, 08:33 AM	#15
Aufklarer A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 76 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	The morale of the story is, torpedo it some more, if you run out of torpedoes them deck gun it if you run out of ammo for that then flak gun it and if that dont do the job then im afraid its 'all ahead full, ramming speed! and some brace for impact!' In essence sink the ship at all costs then go ahead and save your game :P