the missing wardroom

Bilge_Rat · 03-29-10, 04:24 PM

I have to admit I am getting curious too.

I found these photos of type VII wardrooms:

U-570:

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Wardroom (after port corner) - Sea bag in foreground is on single transom bunk on port side of wardroom

U-166:

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Looking forward from the control room of U-166 into the officers' quarters. Kuhlmann's cabin, separated from the rest of the compartment by a curtain, is at left. At right is the table where the boat's officers would meet and take their meals. Beyond the doorway, where the crewman is standing (center), are the accommodations for senior enlisted crew members. Beyond that is the forward torpedo room. Image courtesy the PAST Foundation and the D-Day Museum, New Orleans.

In the U-166, the wardroom appears to be about where the sonar operator is in game.

In the U-570, unless the photo has the wrong caption, it would be on the other side (port) of the boat, around where the captain's cabin is.

Was it in different places on different U-boats?

Looking at the U-570 photo, you can also see the whole thing could be folded up into the wall. very efficient use of space.

Ducimus · 03-29-10, 04:39 PM

I know this is super nitpicky, but is "wardroom" the proper term to use in reference to a Uboat? Is there a more proper name?

frau kaleun · 03-29-10, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I know this is super nitpicky, but is "wardroom" the proper term to use in reference to a Uboat? Is there a more proper name?

I've heard it referred to as the "o-messe" - "o" being short for offizier (or whatever the plural is... offizieren maybe?).

In English: the officers' mess.

Nordmann · 03-29-10, 04:58 PM

Perhaps it varied from boat to boat? If multiple sources have multiple differences, then that would seem to be the case.

Subnuts · 03-29-10, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

Perhaps it varied from boat to boat? If multiple sources have multiple differences, then that would seem to be the case.

It wouldn't surprise me. After all, the Gato and Balao classes varied from boat to boat, and the Type VIIs were built by 17 different shipyards.

oscar19681 · 03-29-10, 05:08 PM

The only thing i know is they didnt bother to model the wardroom correcly in sh-5. It has a top bunk and a folded table. Nothing suggests the officers do anything else but sleep there. It looks just like the other bunks in the officers room. Also the closets dont even have doors drawn into them. So it just looks like a wooden cabin without doors ingame.

Pablo · 03-29-10, 05:14 PM

Well,

I imagine one difference could be that U-166 was a Type IXC U-boat, while U-570 (later HMS Graph) was a Type VIIC U-boat.

Pablo

Bilge_Rat · 03-29-10, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Well,

I imagine one difference could be that U-166 was a Type IXC U-boat, while U-570 (later HMS Graph) was a Type VIIC U-boat.

Pablo

good point, should have checked more closely.

Sailor Steve · 03-29-10, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

IIn the U-570, unless the photo has the wrong caption, it would be on the other side (port) of the boat, around where the captain's cabin is.

It is on the port side. The photo is looking aft from the front of the wardroom. As the caption says "...bunk on the port side of the wardroom."

Bilge_Rat · 03-29-10, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It is on the port side. The photo is looking aft from the front of the wardroom. As the caption says "...bunk on the port side of the wardroom."

Steve, the only thing that makes me think that the photo may be incorrectly captioned is this part:

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Sea bag in foreground is on single transom bunk on port side of wardroom

based on the dimensions, the "sea bag" appears to be on the other side of boat , i.e starboard.

someone posted in another thread that the wardroom is modeled in game, in the folded up position, just forward of the captain's cabin.

Pablo · 03-29-10, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I know this is super nitpicky, but is "wardroom" the proper term to use in reference to a Uboat? Is there a more proper name?

Hi!

I believe the original wording is "Offiziersraum und Offiziersmesse" which I translate as "Officer's quarters and officer's mess." It seems to me would translate pretty well into "Officers' wardroom."

Pablo

SabreHawk · 03-29-10, 05:43 PM

Well at any rate, im hopeful that either the devs had and may still have plans to put it in, or that eventually one of our mod experts can get into the model and do it.
What I find interesting though is that the bunks are vacant, and it looks to me the beginnings of it is at least there.

Sailor Steve · 03-29-10, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Steve, the only thing that makes me think that the photo may be incorrectly captioned is this part:

based on the dimensions, the "sea bag" appears to be on the other side of boat , i.e starboard.

someone posted in another thread that the wardroom is modeled in game, in the folded up position, just forward of the captain's cabin.

As I said, the picture is looking aft, so the seabag, on the port side, is to the viewer's right. The seabag is right about where the captain and the chief sat in Das Boot, but we're looking aft from ahead, so Werner would be on our immediate right and 2WO and 1WO to our left (all out of the picture, of course).

[edit] In fact, the exact angle in the screenshot posted by SabreHawk above.

03-29-10, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SabreHawk

one of our mod experts can get into the model

That's not much of a problem.
It's putting things back that's the hold up.

oscar19681 · 03-29-10, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SabreHawk

Well at any rate, im hopeful that either the devs had and may still have plans to put it in, or that eventually one of our mod experts can get into the model and do it.
What I find interesting though is that the bunks are vacant, and it looks to me the beginnings of it is at least there.

Somebody is allready working on this. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165254

03-29-10, 04:58 PM	#4
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oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	The only thing i know is they didnt bother to model the wardroom correcly in sh-5. It has a top bunk and a folded table. Nothing suggests the officers do anything else but sleep there. It looks just like the other bunks in the officers room. Also the closets dont even have doors drawn into them. So it just looks like a wooden cabin without doors ingame. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

03-29-10, 05:14 PM	#7
Pablo Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Well, I imagine one difference could be that U-166 was a Type IXC U-boat, while U-570 (later HMS Graph) was a Type VIIC U-boat. Pablo __________________ "...far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, speech before the Hamilton Club, Chicago, April 10, 1899

03-29-10, 05:43 PM	#12
SabreHawk Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, Wa. USA Posts: 530 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Well at any rate, im hopeful that either the devs had and may still have plans to put it in, or that eventually one of our mod experts can get into the model and do it. What I find interesting though is that the bunks are vacant, and it looks to me the beginnings of it is at least there. __________________ "Chance favors the prepared mind"

03-29-10, 04:39 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I know this is super nitpicky, but is "wardroom" the proper term to use in reference to a Uboat? Is there a more proper name?