Political correctness in SH5

Drifter · 03-12-10, 08:48 PM

Anyone notice the political correctness in SH5? I am talking about in the crew descriptions. How none of them are 'true' Nazis.

What say you?

Ducimus · 03-12-10, 08:49 PM

Don't get me started.

Drifter · 03-12-10, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Don't get me started.

Revisionist history sucks. Lol

Letum · 03-12-10, 08:50 PM

Especially at the start of the war, some claim that the KM was less
political, although I have seen no hard evidence, good arguments could be
made to support this case.
Towards the end of the war, efforts where made to increase political affiliation in the KM.

mookiemookie · 03-12-10, 09:00 PM

Are we reading the same things?

Your XO:

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Erich is extremely loyal to his father and Dönitz and very pro Nazi. He also of course wants to prove himself.

Watch officer:

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He is somehow opportunistic and also a bit racist.

The cook:

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Olaf is pro Germany, perhaps a bit pro Nazi and wants payback.

Your navigator:

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He identifies with Hitler’s vision of punishing the victors of WWI for what they had done to the Germans.

Méo · 03-12-10, 09:01 PM

1) 1933, the nazi party got 43.9% in election (not even the half of population)

2) Not everyone who voted for this party were nazi neither (nazi = member of the party)

3) The german navy was less affected by nazi ideology than the wehrmacht and the luftwaffe.

Juliano · 03-12-10, 09:02 PM

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Especially at the start of the war, some claim that the navy was less
political, although I have seen no hard evidence, good arguments could be
made to support this case.

Some time ago I´ve been reading something about the KM having some sort of "moral/honor/apolitical code" or something, kinda different form the other branches of the armed forces. Guess that could be the main reason.
I´m not a history expert, so I´m probably wrong

03-12-10, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Anyone notice the political correctness in SH5? I am talking about in the crew descriptions. How none of them are 'true' Nazis.

What say you?

Also maybe UbiSoft wants to sell this game (sim) in Germany, where there are laws that might prohibit such things...

Drifter · 03-12-10, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Case

Also maybe UbiSoft wants to sell this game (sim) in Germany, where there are laws that might prohibit such things...

Yeah, there was a recent SH5 game recall there because it accidentally shipped with swastikas. Their laws prohibit it. Ooops.

Nordmann · 03-12-10, 09:34 PM

The NSDAP were not as popular or universally supported as people have been led to believe. The only reason why the population went along with Hitler's vision, is because they had little choice in the matter; one wrong word, and you would be getting a midnight visit from the Gestapo.

A system built on fear, generally has no problem 'convincing' the populous that a certain course of action is the correct one to take. The average citizen can do little to change the state of affairs exhibited by said government, if it can be called such, and thus must make the best of a bad situation.

Now, that being said, there were those who fervently supported Hitler's ideology. This is not surprising, given the pre-war promises made by the NSDAP, and the lighting fast recovery Germany made during this early period.

But let us not forget, that there are always those opposed, regardless of how hard the regime attempts to suppress them. Not all soldiers, sailors and airmen would have blindly supported Hitler, but they had a duty to perform, and as such were in no position to question the morals of their leader.

Ducimus · 03-12-10, 09:43 PM

Drifter, you must be looking for a forum boxing match.. I know where your coming from, but trust me man, you won't convince anyone, especially here. There's years worth of revisionism, romance and mythology that are accepted as fact, that makes this topic about as much of a dead end, as hitting a reinforced concrete wall at 60 MPH. It's just not going to give, and will go on for another 2 or 3 pages before its run its course.

Safe-Keeper · 03-12-10, 09:51 PM

Far as I know, only 10% of the German population were members of the Nazi party, and the u-boat weapon was one of the places were disillusionment and illoyalty to the party and Hitler ran the most rampant. I guess you laugh at the "political correctness" in Das Boot, too.

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Revisionist history sucks. Lol

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Drifter, you must be looking for a forum boxing match.. I know where your coming from, but trust me man, you won't convince anyone, especially here. There's years worth of revisionism, romance and mythology that are accepted as fact, that makes this topic about as much of a dead end, as hitting a reinforced concrete wall at 60 MPH. It's just not going to give, and will go on for another 2 or 3 pages before its run its course.

...and one-liners and New Ager-style "if you disagree with me, you're narrow-minded and not worth talking to"... is not going to convince me

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Drifter · 03-12-10, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Drifter, you must be looking for a forum boxing match.. I know where your coming from, but trust me man, you won't convince anyone, especially here. There's years worth of revisionism, romance and mythology that are accepted as fact, that makes this topic about as much of a dead end, as hitting a reinforced concrete wall at 60 MPH. It's just not going to give, and will go on for another 2 or 3 pages before its run its course.

Correct. From all the personal accounts of the German side that I have read, I have come to the conclusion that many German civilians and military personel were indeed very hard-core Nazis. They truly believed in Hitler and the system. But try convincing the millions of young people who get their versions of 'history' from movies like Pearl Harbor and U-571.

Nordmann · 03-12-10, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Correct. From all the personal accounts of the German side that I have read, I have come to the conclusion that many German civilians and military personel were indeed very hard-core Nazis. They truly believed in Hitler and the system. But try convincing the millions of young people who get their versions of 'history' from movies like Pearl Harbor and U-571.

Many, but not all. Do not tar the entire population with the same brush. In any case, most WW2 movies (especially Hollywood) tend to portray every German as an evil Nazi, when this was not actually the case at all. But try telling some of the people on here that, they've got too much America F' Yeah! in their veins.

Ducimus · 03-12-10, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

...and one-liners and New Ager-style "if you disagree with me, you're narrow-minded and not worth talking to"... is not going to convince me

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I wasn't addressing you was I? Furthermore, i wasn't trying to convince you of anything. I know nothing will ever disuade you from your own beliefs on the subject, so why bother? It's pointless. There is no discussion here, only a topic that will go around in circles. So believe what you want, your going to anyway, and i'll do the same.

03-12-10, 08:48 PM	#1
Drifter Frogman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 308 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Political correctness in SH5 Anyone notice the political correctness in SH5? I am talking about in the crew descriptions. How none of them are 'true' Nazis. What say you?

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Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Especially at the start of the war, some claim that the KM was less political, although I have seen no hard evidence, good arguments could be made to support this case. Towards the end of the war, efforts where made to increase political affiliation in the KM. __________________

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Nordmann Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: England Posts: 628 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	The NSDAP were not as popular or universally supported as people have been led to believe. The only reason why the population went along with Hitler's vision, is because they had little choice in the matter; one wrong word, and you would be getting a midnight visit from the Gestapo. A system built on fear, generally has no problem 'convincing' the populous that a certain course of action is the correct one to take. The average citizen can do little to change the state of affairs exhibited by said government, if it can be called such, and thus must make the best of a bad situation. Now, that being said, there were those who fervently supported Hitler's ideology. This is not surprising, given the pre-war promises made by the NSDAP, and the lighting fast recovery Germany made during this early period. But let us not forget, that there are always those opposed, regardless of how hard the regime attempts to suppress them. Not all soldiers, sailors and airmen would have blindly supported Hitler, but they had a duty to perform, and as such were in no position to question the morals of their leader. __________________ "I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." - H. G. Wells

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Don't get me started.

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Méo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,153 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 0	1) 1933, the nazi party got 43.9% in election (not even the half of population) 2) Not everyone who voted for this party were nazi neither (nazi = member of the party) 3) The german navy was less affected by nazi ideology than the wehrmacht and the luftwaffe.

03-12-10, 09:43 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Drifter, you must be looking for a forum boxing match.. I know where your coming from, but trust me man, you won't convince anyone, especially here. There's years worth of revisionism, romance and mythology that are accepted as fact, that makes this topic about as much of a dead end, as hitting a reinforced concrete wall at 60 MPH. It's just not going to give, and will go on for another 2 or 3 pages before its run its course.