Ahm, copyright?

Schunken · 03-05-10, 12:45 PM

I notice that UBI take a few parts direct out of the Novelty "Das Boot" from Buchheim.

1. When you talk to your LI about his sick wife he states that she must stay in bed put her parents are with her because he can nothing do for her.

Exactly like in the Novel (and the movie)...

2. If you select a deep and the boot dives and you select a new depth that is more the Captain say."TIEFER! VERDAMMT!"

Exactly "das Boot"....

I wonder if Ubi ask Buchheim (the Author) if they allow to use this Phrases.....

Andreas

Darkseed · 03-05-10, 12:48 PM

I hope this post is not a serious one but a jab at the ridiculous and insane copyright laws of today. But if it's not, shame on you.

GreenGriffon · 03-05-10, 12:48 PM

I think swiping a few ideas from a book is the least of this game's problems...

SteamWake · 03-05-10, 12:50 PM

The names have been changed to protect the guilty.

Any similiarity to persons living or dead are merely coincidental.

Besides is Das Boot still under copyright laws?

textide · 03-05-10, 12:54 PM

This game helps sell Das Boot, Das Boot helps sell this game. To have one go after the other would be mutually destructive.

Enjoy the links between the two and play the game.

Schunken · 03-05-10, 12:56 PM

Im not sure for outside Germany, but in Germany it will.....

...but anyway...in school i also was pin-off from my neighbor

But on the other side is a question of believable....

If I say I do anything for keep my rights as an owner of a copyright to keep it....but than takes phrases out of the book from another....

guess what I mean...

Andreas

SteamWake · 03-05-10, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schunken

guess what I mean...

Andreas

You mean Llama's are cool?

or was that Cow's

Just teasing honest I have no idea what you mean. Language thing I guess.

Schunken · 03-05-10, 01:00 PM

Yep Im not native english.... but I struggle to do it better

Andreas

Jerik · 03-05-10, 01:05 PM

The uses you bring up are overwhelmingly likely to be covered under fair use, looking at the third factor:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'US Copyright Law"

3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

They used two sentences, and in an act of homage to a classic piece of literature/videography. Also neither situation is particularly unique; sick spouses are a characteristic of human life; and the "quote" seems to translate to "Deeper dammit!" which is less defensible as intellectual property than my post.

Iron Budokan · 03-05-10, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Besides is Das Boot still under copyright laws?

Yes, it is. And if the lines are quoted verbatim without proper attribution somewhere in the documentation, then yes, Ubi is in trouble. Big trouble.

But like someone else pointed out, this is the least of their problems concerning this game.

FIREWALL · 03-05-10, 01:18 PM

Until you all go to law school, leave it to the real lawyers.

Or... Perry Mason

Schunken · 03-05-10, 01:45 PM

LOL! famous Perry

No guys....what I really want so say is....

Since month the gameindustry cry to us for suffer losses from pirates and cry that only very user restrictiv things are help them out....

...and than they "pin-off" phrases out of a book.... I mean....they are more creatives way to write a own "RPG-Story"....., isnt?

Im sure its 100% in law....but the message I hear is: "Damn Pirates!!!..OH, whats this book...nice, we use a little out of it....."

The image do not fit....in my view....

Who I want that others act and how I act myself....

Andreas

03-05-10, 12:49 PM

there is usually an army of lawyers to check things like that so im sure they had permission for everything used or a word or two was changed slightly so it was not an exact quote

tater · 03-05-10, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

there is usually an army of lawyers to check things like that so im sure they had permission for everything used or a word or two was changed slightly so it was not an exact quote

Like the army of ubisoft lawyers who let Pacific Fighters get published with "Grumman" on the box but no indication that the name was owned by Northrop Grumman, but a general copyright statement on the bottom of the box that implied that all content on the box belonged to Ubi? That army of lawyers?

Sorry, but if you are going to add draconian DRM schemes to protect your property, you damn well better be scrupulous about not stealing anyone else's property, IMO.

Egan · 03-05-10, 02:05 PM

Come on. This is more of an homage than anything else: I can think of many books, movies, songs and even paintings that do exactly the same thing. There would appear to be many issues within the game that genuinely are worth commenting on. This really isn't one of them.

03-05-10, 12:45 PM	#1
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Ahm, copyright? I notice that UBI take a few parts direct out of the Novelty "Das Boot" from Buchheim. 1. When you talk to your LI about his sick wife he states that she must stay in bed put her parents are with her because he can nothing do for her. Exactly like in the Novel (and the movie)... 2. If you select a deep and the boot dives and you select a new depth that is more the Captain say."TIEFER! VERDAMMT!" Exactly "das Boot".... I wonder if Ubi ask Buchheim (the Author) if they allow to use this Phrases..... Andreas

03-05-10, 12:50 PM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The names have been changed to protect the guilty. Any similiarity to persons living or dead are merely coincidental. Besides is Das Boot still under copyright laws? __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-05-10, 12:48 PM	#2
Darkseed A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 75 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I hope this post is not a serious one but a jab at the ridiculous and insane copyright laws of today. But if it's not, shame on you.

03-05-10, 12:48 PM	#3
GreenGriffon Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I think swiping a few ideas from a book is the least of this game's problems...

03-05-10, 12:54 PM	#5
textide Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This game helps sell Das Boot, Das Boot helps sell this game. To have one go after the other would be mutually destructive. Enjoy the links between the two and play the game.

03-05-10, 12:56 PM	#6
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Im not sure for outside Germany, but in Germany it will..... ...but anyway...in school i also was pin-off from my neighbor But on the other side is a question of believable.... If I say I do anything for keep my rights as an owner of a copyright to keep it....but than takes phrases out of the book from another.... guess what I mean... Andreas

03-05-10, 01:00 PM	#8
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Yep Im not native english.... but I struggle to do it better Andreas

03-05-10, 01:18 PM	#11
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Until you all go to law school, leave it to the real lawyers. Or... Perry Mason

03-05-10, 01:45 PM	#12
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	LOL! famous Perry No guys....what I really want so say is.... Since month the gameindustry cry to us for suffer losses from pirates and cry that only very user restrictiv things are help them out.... ...and than they "pin-off" phrases out of a book.... I mean....they are more creatives way to write a own "RPG-Story"....., isnt? Im sure its 100% in law....but the message I hear is: "Damn Pirates!!!..OH, whats this book...nice, we use a little out of it....." The image do not fit....in my view.... Who I want that others act and how I act myself.... Andreas

03-05-10, 12:49 PM	#13
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	there is usually an army of lawyers to check things like that so im sure they had permission for everything used or a word or two was changed slightly so it was not an exact quote

03-05-10, 02:05 PM	#15
Egan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Come on. This is more of an homage than anything else: I can think of many books, movies, songs and even paintings that do exactly the same thing. There would appear to be many issues within the game that genuinely are worth commenting on. This really isn't one of them.