Auf Grund legen

Kretschmer the IV · 03-02-10, 10:07 AM

Hi,

is it possible in SH5 to stop all engines and lay on ground like the commanders done it in WW2?
in the previous titles of SH you allways received damage while touching the ground, though all machines were stopped and the speed was 0.

Safe-Keeper · 03-02-10, 10:18 AM

I don't believe so, no.
But SH5 allows scripting, so it may be possible to mod in.

Kretschmer the IV · 03-02-10, 10:34 AM

a darn it. i hope it will be scripted..

Kretschmer the IV · 03-12-10, 11:33 AM

i tried, it works

Turbografx · 03-12-10, 01:28 PM

Really? I've read a few times that when people try, they just hover above the sea bed.

Iliaz · 03-12-10, 01:33 PM

I have done it a couple of times now. Sometimes I actually lay on the bottom, sometimes I just stop sinking about two or three feet above ground. If i've completly stopped I usually don't take any hull damage.

Conrad von Kaiser · 03-12-10, 02:17 PM

In some sections the graphical representation of the sea bed and the actual seabed are off.

For instance, the game reads the sea 50 feet deep but the graphics show it as 60 feet, so you get an invisible line. I noticed it first on the way into Scapa Flow. Took out an annoying little escort and watched him sink. He hit bottom and sat about 10 feet above what the graphics said were the seabed.

Did a test myself and slowly set my sub deeper and deeper. Ended up hitting the bottom above the seabed.

razark · 03-12-10, 02:31 PM

So you can sit on the bottom, but does it actually do any good? Will your sonar echo get lost in the bottom clutter?

Turm · 03-12-10, 03:35 PM

The data resolution for the sea bed is quite limited, so if that data was used alone for the generation of the sea bed, it would be very flat and have very smooth & gentle gradients like in SH3.

In an effort to make it look more interesting, I think the devs have added a higher resolution 'randomised' 3D mesh on the surface, to make it more undulating and 'bumpy' in the local area around your sub, complete with rocks etc. However, to avoid the problem of ships & subs going through the peaks of the bumps (and rocks), they've had to 'move' the visible surface down a few metres. As it is, the highest points probably equate to the actual sea bed, but on average the sea bed appears to be lower than it actually is. Hence things resting several metres up...

At least, that is my assumption for the difference between the visible sea bed and the actual sea bed.

For the sake of the the slight amount of eye candy it brings, and the very limited time I spend on external cam, I'd sooner have the almost flat sea bed from SH3 if things would properly appear to sit on the bottom!

It might be another concession made for prettier graphics, and/or attracting the more casual gamers. They are more likely to spend time using external cam when conducting their manoeuvres and dodging DDs & depth charges.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about all this

03-02-10, 10:07 AM	#1
Kretschmer the IV Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Croatia Posts: 173 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Auf Grund legen Hi, is it possible in SH5 to stop all engines and lay on ground like the commanders done it in WW2? in the previous titles of SH you allways received damage while touching the ground, though all machines were stopped and the speed was 0.

03-02-10, 10:18 AM	#2
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I don't believe so, no. But SH5 allows scripting, so it may be possible to mod in. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

03-12-10, 01:33 PM	#6
Iliaz Seaman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 37 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I have done it a couple of times now. Sometimes I actually lay on the bottom, sometimes I just stop sinking about two or three feet above ground. If i've completly stopped I usually don't take any hull damage. __________________ Welch' Künstler gingen an mir zu Grunde!

03-12-10, 02:31 PM	#8
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	So you can sit on the bottom, but does it actually do any good? Will your sonar echo get lost in the bottom clutter? __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

03-02-10, 10:34 AM	#3
Kretschmer the IV Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Croatia Posts: 173 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	a darn it. i hope it will be scripted..

03-12-10, 11:33 AM	#4
Kretschmer the IV Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Croatia Posts: 173 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	i tried, it works

03-12-10, 01:28 PM	#5
Turbografx Old Stormalong Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Gret Stet of Loosiana Posts: 232 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	Really? I've read a few times that when people try, they just hover above the sea bed.

03-12-10, 02:17 PM	#7
Conrad von Kaiser Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New York Posts: 105 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	In some sections the graphical representation of the sea bed and the actual seabed are off. For instance, the game reads the sea 50 feet deep but the graphics show it as 60 feet, so you get an invisible line. I noticed it first on the way into Scapa Flow. Took out an annoying little escort and watched him sink. He hit bottom and sat about 10 feet above what the graphics said were the seabed. Did a test myself and slowly set my sub deeper and deeper. Ended up hitting the bottom above the seabed.

03-12-10, 03:35 PM	#9
Turm Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 210 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	The data resolution for the sea bed is quite limited, so if that data was used alone for the generation of the sea bed, it would be very flat and have very smooth & gentle gradients like in SH3. In an effort to make it look more interesting, I think the devs have added a higher resolution 'randomised' 3D mesh on the surface, to make it more undulating and 'bumpy' in the local area around your sub, complete with rocks etc. However, to avoid the problem of ships & subs going through the peaks of the bumps (and rocks), they've had to 'move' the visible surface down a few metres. As it is, the highest points probably equate to the actual sea bed, but on average the sea bed appears to be lower than it actually is. Hence things resting several metres up... At least, that is my assumption for the difference between the visible sea bed and the actual sea bed. For the sake of the the slight amount of eye candy it brings, and the very limited time I spend on external cam, I'd sooner have the almost flat sea bed from SH3 if things would properly appear to sit on the bottom! It might be another concession made for prettier graphics, and/or attracting the more casual gamers. They are more likely to spend time using external cam when conducting their manoeuvres and dodging DDs & depth charges. Of course, I could be completely wrong about all this