Who am I fighting against again?

rosentorf · 02-06-10, 05:05 PM

Hey there,

I have been gone for a little while, but now I am back and after playing with Fleetboats I want to try out what Operation Monsoon can do. I have downloaded it and installed it with the OMEGU. Man it looks impressiv to say the least and it has a nice feel to it.

Now I have a problem identifying the nationalities of the ships. I am used to convoys with just ships from one nation in the pacific

I do not know all the flags and if Germany is at war with these countries at the moment.

Is there a list with nationalities and flags that says when these countries where enemy, ally or neutral?

--rosentorf

609_Avatar · 02-06-10, 05:15 PM

Check out this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160240

Hope it helps you.

Highbury · 02-06-10, 05:21 PM

Keep in mind that if you get the Friend of Foe mod it is only a listing of when countries went to war with Germany in real life not in the game.

If you see a US ship in Dec '39 you can sink it with no in-game repercussions. The listing just helps you IF you want to exercise restraint and only sink ships that should actually be at war with you on a given date.

That is the biggest drawback for me with OpMonsun, everyone being an enemy from Day 1. That isn't a complaint, I have no idea what options Lurker had to weigh when he made that decision, but from a playing standpoint it is massively immersion breaking.

lurker_hlb3 · 02-06-10, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

That is the biggest drawback for me with OpMonsun, everyone being an enemy from Day 1. That isn't a complaint, I have no idea what options Lurker had to weigh when he made that decision, but from a playing standpoint it is massively immersion breaking.

If you would read the "readme" from OM you would find out why I did it

Quote:

4.One of the problems with “stock” SH4 is the way it treats the “detection” of neutral shipping (i.e. it basically ignores them). This behavior became unacceptable from a gameplay point of view during the development of the early war combat operations. Therefore there are “no neutrals” in OM. It will be up to the player to determine if a ship needs to be engaged or not. During the early phases of the war these normally neutral ships will remain unarmed. Also from review of the records, Uboat captains sink supposed “neutrals” during their early combat patrols

rosentorf · 02-06-10, 05:59 PM

Thanks Avatar... I tired the "Enemies of Germany"-Mod and it at least shows flags of the enemy nation.

But as I understand I won't get a penalty if I sink neutral shipping (besides losing a few torpedoes). If that is the case then I might just use the mod anyway just for immersion.

EDIT: I just shot four torpedoes at a merchant from south-africa. It was at war with Germany since '39 so ("actual" year in game '43). Wasn't on the list in the mod.

Highbury · 02-07-10, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

If you would read the "readme" from OM you would find out why I did it

Yeah,

I know.

I said I don't know what the decisions you had to make were, and that still doesn't say and I wasn't asking. I assumed you made what was the best choice. The end result is not as good as it would be if the game would have properly allowed you to put neutrals in it. That is all I was saying. It is not an insult or a slight, so please drop the grumpy guy act and lighten up.

02-06-10, 05:05 PM	#1
rosentorf A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 76 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	Who am I fighting against again? Hey there, I have been gone for a little while, but now I am back and after playing with Fleetboats I want to try out what Operation Monsoon can do. I have downloaded it and installed it with the OMEGU. Man it looks impressiv to say the least and it has a nice feel to it. Now I have a problem identifying the nationalities of the ships. I am used to convoys with just ships from one nation in the pacific I do not know all the flags and if Germany is at war with these countries at the moment. Is there a list with nationalities and flags that says when these countries where enemy, ally or neutral? --rosentorf

02-06-10, 05:15 PM	#2
609_Avatar Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 3rd Planet From The Sun Posts: 345 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Check out this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160240 Hope it helps you. __________________ Avatar

02-06-10, 05:21 PM	#3
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	Keep in mind that if you get the Friend of Foe mod it is only a listing of when countries went to war with Germany in real life not in the game. If you see a US ship in Dec '39 you can sink it with no in-game repercussions. The listing just helps you IF you want to exercise restraint and only sink ships that should actually be at war with you on a given date. That is the biggest drawback for me with OpMonsun, everyone being an enemy from Day 1. That isn't a complaint, I have no idea what options Lurker had to weigh when he made that decision, but from a playing standpoint it is massively immersion breaking.

02-06-10, 05:59 PM	#5
rosentorf A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 76 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	Thanks Avatar... I tired the "Enemies of Germany"-Mod and it at least shows flags of the enemy nation. But as I understand I won't get a penalty if I sink neutral shipping (besides losing a few torpedoes). If that is the case then I might just use the mod anyway just for immersion. EDIT: I just shot four torpedoes at a merchant from south-africa. It was at war with Germany since '39 so ("actual" year in game '43). Wasn't on the list in the mod.