OFFICIAL: Not allowed to resell the Game!

[urfisch]

...this news i found in the german forum. so think about, if you are going to buy it, just for testing purpose. could be an expensive try...if you are not even able to sell it via ebay, etc.



nice marketing idea, indeed.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Since when do used game dealers buy used PC games anyway? None of my local game stores have for many a year.
While I won't be buying SH5 for a number of reasons, I wholeheartedly support the steps that the games industry as a whole has taken towards combatting used game sales - they provide no revenue for the developers or publishers whatsoever.

"I wholeheartedly support the steps that the games industry as a whole has taken towards combatting used game sales - they provide no revenue for the developers or publishers whatsoever"

What a stupid thing to say. PS3 and 360 gamers have the ability to trade in games when ever they feel like. DRM should be there to stop piracy not to be a new revenue stream for the developers against PC users.

PC gaming is dying and DRM will only serve to finish it off quicker. Publishers are producing more and more multiplatform games would you choose to spend £40 on a game on the PC if it has no residual value or on the PS3 knowing that you can trade it in when finished playing and get money back.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Who said anything about DRM? We're talking about used game sales which do not provide any revenue for the developer or publisher who made the game.

Get your panties unbunched.

[Letum]

Of course you can't resell it if it's not yours.

You may have paid for it, but with this DRM you don't own it.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by Letum

Of course you can't resell it if it's not yours.

You may have paid for it, but with this DRM you don't own it.

You never owned SH3 or 4 either. Read your EULA - you purchased a license to use the game, you do not own the game or the code on the disc.

I do not support this new DRM as I have said elsewhere, but let's make sure we're getting our facts correct here.

[codmander]

who gives a hoot all we want is a great sim too much about security and whatnot no wonder only 7/43

[MercurySeven]

Well, isnt that the same thing Valve tried to score with HL2 in the beginning? And failed in court? If I remeber my "Legal Aspects of IT 101" right then (at least in European law) you have the right to resell whatever you bought as long as you bought it in a physical form (e.g. DVD). And since SH5 is just the first of a long list of UBI games thats supposed to run on this DRM thing I assume it will not go unnoticed by legal institutions. So ... Well, lets see what the proper authorities do with this.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

You never owned SH3 or 4 either. Read your EULA - you purchased a license to use the game, you do not own the game or the code on the disc.

I do not support this new DRM as I have said elsewhere, but let's make sure we're getting our facts correct here.

Yes, clearly I have not bought the copyright to the code. That is not what is
meant when one says one owns a game.
I know that and it does not change what I am saying.

[Rosencrantz]

Kapitanleutnant wrote:

We're talking about used game sales which do not provide any revenue for the developer or publisher who made the game.

Unless you are somehow personally connected to the game industry, I can't see much of point in your statement. If company has already sold that single peace of the game, why in earth second hand trading should provide any revenue anymore? Is there no limits in human greed?


With respect,
-RC-

Ubi is in effect discriminating against PC users. Assassins Creed 2 on the PS3 does not have any of these draconian DRM issues and you are "allowed" to resell the game when you are sick of it.

The DRM is overkill, like trying to kill a fly by burning down your house.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Unless you are somehow personally connected to the game industry, I can't see much of point in your statement. If company has already sold that single peace of the game, why in earth second hand trading should provide any revenue anymore? Is there no limits in human greed?

Because somebody who has not previously owned the game goes into the used game store and buys a used copy of that game. All the profit from that money goes directly to the retailer - the developer doesn't see a penny of it, and loses out on a customer who otherwise would have put money in their pocket.

So no, I guess there isn't a limit to human greed, it's just that in this case it's the retailer who is getting greedy, and the people who made the game are missing out.

[urfisch]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Because somebody who has not previously owned the game goes into the used game store and buys a used copy of that game. All the profit from that money goes directly to the retailer - the developer doesn't see a penny of it, and loses out on a customer who otherwise would have put money in their pocket.

So no, I guess there isn't a limit to human greed, it's just that in this case it's the retailer who is getting greedy, and the people who made the game are missing out.

the problem is not the retailer, or a used game dealer. the problem is the fact!!!

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Uh? I bought a lot of second hand games for anything between 2 and 10€. If I had had to buy them full price I would have passed. Either way the publisher doesn't get a cent.

Same as
My girls buy preowned games all the time
They wouldnt buy new as dont want to pay the extortianate prices and are never in a hurry to own a new game on release

so game publishers would never get their money anyway

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

If I had had to buy them full price I would have passed. Either way the publisher doesn't get a cent.

Which is why I don't support the used game market, and why I do support steps taken to limit it. It may not matter much with Ubisoft being a giant publisher, but it does hurt smaller devs, and if I hold this principle for them then I must hold to it for everybody.

Uh? I bought a lot of second hand games for anything between 2 and 10€.

It's not hard to buy new games cheaply. I own more than 90 games on Steam and don't think I paid more than £15 for any of them - many are high quality AAA titles, I just had to exercise enough fiscal responsibility to wait until there was a sale on.
This isn't limited to digital distribution either - online retailers like Amazon and Play always have great deals on new PC games, and this way everybody gets their fair share - including the developer.