[QUE] Boycott / mass dynamic things not allowed?

urfisch · 01-26-10, 05:19 PM

...why? why are threads, which call for action are shut down?

anyone can decide on his own, wether he follows or not. this is like a democratic proclamation, which must not be censored. as carotio rightfully stated, which signal should we send, instead of not buying the game in the first days?? uhh...hard to answer.

please give people, who also ask themselves this question, an answer. i simply do not understand. fear of advocats and lawyers from ubi?...

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:24 PM

I would also like to know the reason behind this SSim policy.
The views of forum members are clearly not the views of SSim, so why
the censorship on this issue?

01-26-10, 05:31 PM

because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here.

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

im sure neal with speak better on this then i can because i am not as well spoken

urfisch · 01-26-10, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here.

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

im sure neal with speak better on this then i can because i am not as well spoken

but if you cut these opinions off, you seem to promote the other side...thought about that?

thin line...

Buddahaid · 01-26-10, 05:37 PM

Calling for action would seem to be a bit more than a viewpoint expressed. I think SubSim needs to keep impartial toward the vendors in order to have good relations that lead to development updates etc.

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here.

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

There are as many opinions on as many topics and protests and calls
for all sorts of different actions as there are members at subsim.
Especially in General Topics!

There is no worry that Subsim will be seen as promoting our political or
religious affiliations and/or griviencies when we mention them, or our
opinions on any other topic.
Why is this different?

Could this be something to do with Subsim not wanting to put game
publishers off giving Subsim things like pre-release access and
interviews etc?
That would be an understandable position, although perhaps of
dubious integrity.

GoldenRivet · 01-26-10, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urfisch

but if you cut these opinions off, you seem to promote the other side...thought about that?

thin line...

I dont know "Subsims" official position on the matter of Silent Hunter 5, but if it were up to me to come up with an official statement it would go like this.

"Silent Hunter 5 is the result of a lot of hard work on the part of many individuals at Ubisoft, their hard work is appreciated by all of us here at subsim! As we close to release date, we have heard much of the good, the bad and the ugly, some of it has been fact, some of it has been unsubstantiated rumor, but we will reserve our judgments of SH5 for a later date when we are able to officially review the released product.

Furthermore, as Subsim.com is a place for the promotion of submarine simulations and the companies / individuals that develop them, we feel that our forums are not the place for discussion or suggestion of boycott or any other actions which work against the development of present or future submarine simulations."

01-26-10, 05:47 PM

while i cannot dissagree with your statements, my personal opinion has to be kept seperate from my actions as modderator and i wont presume to speak about neal's policies and guidelines so i sent him a PM asking him to make a statement here about your comments and opinions

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:47 PM

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actions which work against the development of present or future submarine simulations.

Who says it would work against the interest of submarine simulations?

Would the point be that it would work in the interest of long-term subsim development?

GoldenRivet · 01-26-10, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

while i cannot dissagree with your statements i cant speak for neal so i sent him a PM asking him to make a statement here about your comments

I personally think the whole boycott discussion is over the top.

I dont know why most folks cannot reserve their judgements for some sort of official review.

its a shame no matter what side of the argument you sit upon

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:51 PM

If Ubi wasn't boycotting Subsim by refusing to provide a review copy
before release, we would already have read that official review you
place so much importance on.

GoldenRivet · 01-26-10, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Who says it would work against the interest of submarine simulations?

Would the point be that it would work in our interest?

thats just what I would say if it were me.

However, when people start talking "boycott" on a product that they have never even gotten hands on, we have a problem.

now if Ubisoft came out and said

"Our game discs will be made of 100% pure crushed eagle beaks and baby seal bones. and the pages of our manuals will be written by child slave labor."

the whole "boycott" argument might have some legs to stand on.

but just because a company tries to protect its own rights by some means that we dont necessarily agree with, or because some content we really wanted didnt make it into the final build... those are some pretty stupid reasons to start picketing Ubisoft HQ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

If Ubi wasn't boycotting Subsim by refusing to provide a review copy
before release, we would already have read that official review you
place so much importance on.

and what source do you have that says they wont provide us with one?

we are a month out or more

what source do you have that says they HAVE a review ready copy for subsim?

what makes you think subsim.com is entitled to a review copy??? (no offense to Neal)

urfisch · 01-26-10, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

If Ubi wasn't boycotting Subsim by refusing to provide a review copy
before release, we would already have read that official review you
place so much importance on.

not only refusing to provide a copy, also refusing to provide nearly all important kind of information people ask here for since months(!)...

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

those are some pretty stupid reasons to start picketing Ubisoft HQ

Just because these things are not important to you, doesn't mean that
other peoples grievances are "stupid".

GoldenRivet · 01-26-10, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

Just because these things are not important to you, doesn't mean that
other peoples grievances are "stupid".

they in fact ARE important to me

I AM rather upset about a lot of it

difference is...

im just being fair and unbiased

01-26-10, 05:19 PM	#1
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	[QUE] Boycott / mass dynamic things not allowed? ...why? why are threads, which call for action are shut down? anyone can decide on his own, wether he follows or not. this is like a democratic proclamation, which must not be censored. as carotio rightfully stated, which signal should we send, instead of not buying the game in the first days?? uhh...hard to answer. please give people, who also ask themselves this question, an answer. i simply do not understand. fear of advocats and lawyers from ubi?... __________________

01-26-10, 05:24 PM	#2
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I would also like to know the reason behind this SSim policy. The views of forum members are clearly not the views of SSim, so why the censorship on this issue? __________________

01-26-10, 05:51 PM	#11
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	If Ubi wasn't boycotting Subsim by refusing to provide a review copy before release, we would already have read that official review you place so much importance on. __________________

01-26-10, 05:31 PM	#3
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here. its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest im sure neal with speak better on this then i can because i am not as well spoken

01-26-10, 05:37 PM	#5
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Calling for action would seem to be a bit more than a viewpoint expressed. I think SubSim needs to keep impartial toward the vendors in order to have good relations that lead to development updates etc.

01-26-10, 05:47 PM	#8
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	while i cannot dissagree with your statements, my personal opinion has to be kept seperate from my actions as modderator and i wont presume to speak about neal's policies and guidelines so i sent him a PM asking him to make a statement here about your comments and opinions