Can't enter mast height

jerm138 · 01-17-10, 07:48 PM

So, I tracked this guy down using sonar. I can see him through my obs scope, but the program hasn't "seen" him yet (nobody yelled out "ship spotted, and it's not showing up on the magical GPS map)

I can see it good enough to identify it (the screenshot isn't that great), but when I hit the check box on the Ship Recognition Manual to enter mast height data and take a range with the stadimeter, nothing happens.

Do I have to wait for someone else to spot the ship before I can take range data? I know it will only be a few minutes, but I'd like to start planning my attack as early as possible.

Is there any way to force the mast height into the TDC and make it let me use the stadimeter?

Bubblehead1980 · 01-17-10, 08:11 PM

Simply click on the checkmark in the right had corner, sends the mast height to the TDC.Then the stadimeter is ready for use.Bring the double image down to the tallest point on the ship, the masts, then click the "send bearing and range" button, should have a pretty good range estimate, unless you are using SCAF, then bring it to the mark in the rec manual, i see no mark so will assume not using SCAF.

Histortical note(if you care) As far as I know, only the attack periscope had a stadimeter, not the obs/night scope, some reason it wasnt removed from the obs scope in the game.

jerm138 · 01-17-10, 08:19 PM

I know how to use it normally.

What I'm saying is that when the ship is too far away and I hit the checkbox, nothing happens. My crosshair is pointed right at the ship, but hitting the checkbox is fruitless until the program decides he's close enough to take a range

I want to override that "feature" and force it to let me send data to the TDC regardless of where my scope is pointed or what the program thinks I should be able to see.

It's an unnecessary restriction that kills the realism. I should be able to point it at a life-raft and enter an aircraft carrier's mast height into the TDC without restriction, and I should be able to use the stadimeter whenever I want, not just when the game gives me permission.

magic452 · 01-18-10, 02:23 AM

Check out the Easy AoB mod. I think it will allow manual input of range and/or mast height. Not too sure about mask height as I don't use the mod.

Magic

sergei · 01-18-10, 03:29 AM

Try hitting the lock button.
Sometimes, even when a target is just outside the "auto detect bubble", you can still lock on for a few seconds, long enough to send info to the TDC.

jerm138 · 01-18-10, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Try hitting the lock button.
Sometimes, even when a target is just outside the "auto detect bubble", you can still lock on for a few seconds, long enough to send info to the TDC.

It would let me lock on, but it wouldn't let me send data from the Recognition Manual to the TDC.

I had this happen once before with a ship that was only about 2000 yards away. It was foggy and I could only see the silhouette, but the game thought I shouldn't be able to see it so it wouldn't let me send the data to the TDC.

I just really don't like that this restriction is in the game at all, and was hoping there is a workaround. We should be able to enter data at any time.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-18-10, 05:05 PM

yea, wish you could enter it anytime, yet another oversight be the devs.Not sure if it can be fixed though, by now i think the modders would have, nearly every defect and crap thing that can be fixed has, i think.

Armistead · 01-18-10, 07:44 PM

Actually you can enter it anytime using easy AOB mod, just run them both so you can operate both wheels to the full extent.

Ducimus · 01-18-10, 07:57 PM

Looks like a screenshot from TMO.

I didn't document it very well, but you should be able to manuallly adjust the mast height. Click on mast height dial, drag to whatever you want, and then send to TDC. Check your attack map (F6) afterwards and you'll see the torpedo's track will have changed based on the distance you just manually input.

jerm138 · 01-18-10, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Looks like a screenshot from TMO.

I didn't document it very well, but you should be able to manuallly adjust the mast height. Click on mast height dial, drag to whatever you want, and then send to TDC. Check your attack map (F6) afterwards and you'll see the torpedo's track will have changed based on the distance you just manually input.

Yes... TMO 1.9. Thanks for such an awesome mod!

Where is the mast height dial you mention? Sounds like it's exactly what I want.

Edit... I see the input dial on the outer ring of the data entry window (upper right) but I can't seem to "grab" it. All that changes is the inner ring where I set the range.

01-18-10, 10:29 PM

I think this is what you are looking for.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1228

Here is the original thread.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152945

Urge

jerm138 · 01-19-10, 03:38 AM

Quote:

I think this is what you are looking for.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1228

Here is the original thread.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152945

Urge

DOOD!!! Thanks!! I didn't try the mod, but it lead me to this:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=717

Just some simple changes in a .cfg file and you can now take control of the outer ring to manually input mast height... ANYTIME!!

I tried it, and sho 'nuff hit a carrier from 2500 yards away!! (fired 6 fish... first one, BIG explosion, 2nd one killed him, 3rd and 4th were just for the fireworks, 5th and 6th went past his bow because he had stopped moving)

So... I can vouch that it works, and it's accurate.

This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Now I just need a way to make it let me use the Stadimeter anytime I want, not just when I'm looking at a ship.

Thanks for pointing me there, and thanks to muchausen for posting that!!

Off to kill me some Japs...

Armistead · 01-19-10, 09:07 AM

Why would you want to use the stad when not looking at a ship?

I'll check my files, I think I once had that working, but I also got rid of the lock funtion...

jerm138 · 01-19-10, 09:49 AM

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Why would you want to use the stad when not looking at a ship?

I don't like having the program tell me "you can't use the stadimeter right now because you're not close enough to the ship, or it's not close enough to your crosshair." It's an unnecessary and unrealistic restriction.

I know that using the stadimeter at very long ranges is inaccurate, but I'd still like to be able to use it for ballpark figures. Also, there are times when I'd like to use it when the target is way off to the side of my scope view. As it is now, I have to wait for it to get in the center.

Munchausen · 01-19-10, 11:18 AM

IIRC, you can use the stadimeter in conjunction with radar, even when not locked on a target. And there are a couple mods that improve the accuracy when measuring range to a target via radar. Luckily, with the Easy AOB mod, you can then set the range manually.

The stadimeter becomes fully functional whenever some part (not necessarily the center) of your target touches the crosshairs.

01-17-10, 07:48 PM	#1
jerm138 Watch Officer Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 332 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Can't enter mast height So, I tracked this guy down using sonar. I can see him through my obs scope, but the program hasn't "seen" him yet (nobody yelled out "ship spotted, and it's not showing up on the magical GPS map) I can see it good enough to identify it (the screenshot isn't that great), but when I hit the check box on the Ship Recognition Manual to enter mast height data and take a range with the stadimeter, nothing happens. Do I have to wait for someone else to spot the ship before I can take range data? I know it will only be a few minutes, but I'd like to start planning my attack as early as possible. Is there any way to force the mast height into the TDC and make it let me use the stadimeter? __________________

01-17-10, 08:19 PM	#3
jerm138 Watch Officer Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 332 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	I know how to use it normally. What I'm saying is that when the ship is too far away and I hit the checkbox, nothing happens. My crosshair is pointed right at the ship, but hitting the checkbox is fruitless until the program decides he's close enough to take a range I want to override that "feature" and force it to let me send data to the TDC regardless of where my scope is pointed or what the program thinks I should be able to see. It's an unnecessary restriction that kills the realism. I should be able to point it at a life-raft and enter an aircraft carrier's mast height into the TDC without restriction, and I should be able to use the stadimeter whenever I want, not just when the game gives me permission. __________________ Last edited by jerm138; 01-17-10 at 08:44 PM.

01-18-10, 02:23 AM	#4
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Check out the Easy AoB mod. I think it will allow manual input of range and/or mast height. Not too sure about mask height as I don't use the mod. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

01-17-10, 08:11 PM	#2
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,104 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Simply click on the checkmark in the right had corner, sends the mast height to the TDC.Then the stadimeter is ready for use.Bring the double image down to the tallest point on the ship, the masts, then click the "send bearing and range" button, should have a pretty good range estimate, unless you are using SCAF, then bring it to the mark in the rec manual, i see no mark so will assume not using SCAF. Histortical note(if you care) As far as I know, only the attack periscope had a stadimeter, not the obs/night scope, some reason it wasnt removed from the obs scope in the game.

01-18-10, 03:29 AM	#5
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	Try hitting the lock button. Sometimes, even when a target is just outside the "auto detect bubble", you can still lock on for a few seconds, long enough to send info to the TDC.

01-18-10, 05:05 PM	#7
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,104 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	yea, wish you could enter it anytime, yet another oversight be the devs.Not sure if it can be fixed though, by now i think the modders would have, nearly every defect and crap thing that can be fixed has, i think.

01-18-10, 07:44 PM	#8
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Actually you can enter it anytime using easy AOB mod, just run them both so you can operate both wheels to the full extent.

01-18-10, 07:57 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Looks like a screenshot from TMO. I didn't document it very well, but you should be able to manuallly adjust the mast height. Click on mast height dial, drag to whatever you want, and then send to TDC. Check your attack map (F6) afterwards and you'll see the torpedo's track will have changed based on the distance you just manually input.

01-18-10, 10:29 PM	#11
Urge Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I think this is what you are looking for. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1228 Here is the original thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152945 Urge

01-19-10, 09:07 AM	#13
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Why would you want to use the stad when not looking at a ship? I'll check my files, I think I once had that working, but I also got rid of the lock funtion...

01-19-10, 11:18 AM	#15
Munchausen Commodore Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 608 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 1	IIRC, you can use the stadimeter in conjunction with radar, even when not locked on a target. And there are a couple mods that improve the accuracy when measuring range to a target via radar. Luckily, with the Easy AOB mod, you can then set the range manually. The stadimeter becomes fully functional whenever some part (not necessarily the center) of your target touches the crosshairs.