A shameful day for the EU

Respenus · 11-19-09, 03:11 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8367589.stm

My God, I knew the heads of state wouldn't make the best decision, but to screw up in such a manner is on the level of stupidity I cannot imagine. The whole think is a farce. The President of the Council of the EU is the right man for the job, a quiet, consensus building, low key guy. Just what the Lisbon treaty calls for. The High representative on the other hand is an economist, a far fall from Solana, who left shoes too big to fill by the current team.

While I still support the EU project and European integration and I knew that France, Germany and the UK wouldn't support someone like Delors, this choice is a massive, massive mistake, which kill haunt EU leaders for the remainder of the mandate for the new posts.

I just expected EU leaders to have more common sense, if not for the EU, for their own good, which will surely suffer, considering how tied national functioning is to the EU.

Ah well, at least the Eurosceptics are pleased. No-one to poverful to try and move Europe on a more positive track. Just the status-quo, which will probably remain, as this was the final treaty and final expansion for the current structure of European integration.

11-19-09, 03:15 PM

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A shameful day for the EU

Does it have days that are not shameful?

Skybird · 11-19-09, 03:41 PM

The personnell selected for the two jobs is not intended to be strong in authority. It should be weak so it will not steal the show from the heads of states, and the EU commission.

I will not say that is a good feature, or a bad one. The EU alltogether is uaahhh.

Has anyone noted that it took just days after Klaus gave in that the commission voiced in public its demand to no longer get fianced via negotiations over budgets amongst the heads of states - but the EU demands to raise it's own taxes from all European private persons (optimists call them "EU citizens")? First you get lied and betrayed, and then you even get taxed for their lies and betrayals. In Germany, I pay taxes to the German state. If the EU taxes me as well, and directly, then this makes the EU a European superstate in fact, whose key decision makers face no legal, democratic legitimation process by the european citizens who get taxed. I think this qualifies for being classified as a dictatorship.

I wish them all bad things in the world and this as fast as possible, if that is the only way to destroy and take away this "EU" that it is today. I want it getting away, no matter how. It is a new dictatorship that becomes more and obvious in its true nature.

Once after WWII, there was a dream, a vision of a cooperating european community of nations, of people, no longer waging wars, but coexisting and cooperating peacefully in sciences and economy for the better benefit of the one and of all members of Europe, but that dream has been stolen and replaced by an enforced top-down-order that puts special interest over interests of european citizens. This old dream the current EU is not.

THIS IT IS NOT.

Consider this, next time you vote national parliamants in your home countries. It more and more becomes completely pointless. A hoax. Volksverarschung.

Shearwater · 11-19-09, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Volksverarschung.

Similar thoughts, different phrasing

In a Spiegel article a few weeks ago, an EU diplomat allegedly described Van Rompuy as a man "changing between dreary and grey." I suppose he will get along very well with Mr. Barroso.
Seriously: I'm sick and tired of (mis)using EU institutions as some sort of reject bin for mediocre bureaucrats. It simply belies all the fancy speech of European integration.

I would have loved to see Jean Claude Juncker in his place. At least the Luxembourgers can be glad they still have him.

papa_smurf · 11-19-09, 04:41 PM

Could be worse - Imagine Tony Blair as EU president.

11-19-09, 03:11 PM	#1
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A shameful day for the EU http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8367589.stm My God, I knew the heads of state wouldn't make the best decision, but to screw up in such a manner is on the level of stupidity I cannot imagine. The whole think is a farce. The President of the Council of the EU is the right man for the job, a quiet, consensus building, low key guy. Just what the Lisbon treaty calls for. The High representative on the other hand is an economist, a far fall from Solana, who left shoes too big to fill by the current team. While I still support the EU project and European integration and I knew that France, Germany and the UK wouldn't support someone like Delors, this choice is a massive, massive mistake, which kill haunt EU leaders for the remainder of the mandate for the new posts. I just expected EU leaders to have more common sense, if not for the EU, for their own good, which will surely suffer, considering how tied national functioning is to the EU. Ah well, at least the Eurosceptics are pleased. No-one to poverful to try and move Europe on a more positive track. Just the status-quo, which will probably remain, as this was the final treaty and final expansion for the current structure of European integration. __________________

11-19-09, 03:41 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,621 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The personnell selected for the two jobs is not intended to be strong in authority. It should be weak so it will not steal the show from the heads of states, and the EU commission. I will not say that is a good feature, or a bad one. The EU alltogether is uaahhh. Has anyone noted that it took just days after Klaus gave in that the commission voiced in public its demand to no longer get fianced via negotiations over budgets amongst the heads of states - but the EU demands to raise it's own taxes from all European private persons (optimists call them "EU citizens")? First you get lied and betrayed, and then you even get taxed for their lies and betrayals. In Germany, I pay taxes to the German state. If the EU taxes me as well, and directly, then this makes the EU a European superstate in fact, whose key decision makers face no legal, democratic legitimation process by the european citizens who get taxed. I think this qualifies for being classified as a dictatorship. I wish them all bad things in the world and this as fast as possible, if that is the only way to destroy and take away this "EU" that it is today. I want it getting away, no matter how. It is a new dictatorship that becomes more and obvious in its true nature. Once after WWII, there was a dream, a vision of a cooperating european community of nations, of people, no longer waging wars, but coexisting and cooperating peacefully in sciences and economy for the better benefit of the one and of all members of Europe, but that dream has been stolen and replaced by an enforced top-down-order that puts special interest over interests of european citizens. This old dream the current EU is not. THIS IT IS NOT. Consider this, next time you vote national parliamants in your home countries. It more and more becomes completely pointless. A hoax. Volksverarschung. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-19-09 at 04:01 PM.

11-19-09, 04:41 PM	#5
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Could be worse - Imagine Tony Blair as EU president. __________________