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Ok first off.. let me just say this up front. Im an American construction worker... and despite using it all my life... i fugging hate the Imperial System. Yup. It sucks almost as bad as fractions. Only thing worse is "Imperial Fractions". Its the devil. I mean seriously.. "Hey Chuck... hand me the 5/8 nut driver... no better make that the 9/32. No that one dont fit either.. hand me the 1254/1340984 driver." I'm a logically thinking type of person... and mathematically, the imperial system just has no logic to me. Who the hell comes up with Inches, Feet, Yards, and Miles? The system is ancient and needs to die!! LOL!! Dont even get me started on liquid quantities/measurements!! but i digress.. I really wish this country would switch to the metric system as i used to hear people say was coming. It will make our lives easier. but i Doubt it will happen any time soon. I dunno, i guess thats just the way my brain is wired. So how many of you "Imperial subjects" prefer Metric? And how do the rest of you just not get annoyed when your ruler jumps from yds to miles. |
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I know nothing about the imperial system, thats why I use it in SH4, just to learn something about it.
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INCOMING!
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Uhh you know you can change that right?
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The Old Man
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yes.
I used metric since day 1 of SHIV coming out. Since i reinstalled SH4 recently after a long hiatus.. i decided to go imperial for a laugh. It ended in fits. |
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Imperial seems quite simple to me. 1NM=2000yds=6000FT. The ruler jumping from yards to miles is no different than it jumping from meters to kilometers. IMO.
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5,500yds = 2.7nm
5,500m = 5.5km it speaks for itself. About the only good thing is the Nm/Knot relationship. If only we could get these sailors to quit using Kts and use Kmh. ![]() lol, ok i was just joking on that last one. |
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Read up on the Nautical system, and you'll see how much simpler it is, than the metric with regard to global, universal measurements.
This system was developed over hundreds of years of exploration. Had the metric system been easier I'm sure it would have been used, as the metric system was known in the east since baylonian times... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile to correct al those incorrect measurements. In SH4 they've changed the size of the Nm to 2000m (1852m) ![]() ![]() |
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Grew up in the British West Indies with Imperial (British) measurements including learning how to work with pounds-shillings-pence (even though the islands used dollars!), then learned how to use metrics when I moved back to the Netherlands at the age of 12 so I'm familiar with both systems. Have one SH4 + UBM install with TMO running USN subs in Imperial, and another install with OM running U-Boote in metric. No problem when switching- just seems to come naturally.
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I'll not repeat myself except to say that the imperial system is a reflection of the natural world which divides itself into twos, fours, eights, twelves, etc, the products of small prime numbers, NEVER into powers of ten so our feeble brains can calculate easily.
Trying to stuff the round world into the square metric hole is just plain silly. Even the metric people are sensible enough to measure boat speed in knots, an imperial measurement in spite of the whitewashing that has occurred. Yes, it is possible to measure the universe in metric units. Yes, those inappropriate units act as a smokescreen, keeping us from understanding the underlying processes working in products of small prime numbers. Units are sort of like translating one language into another. If I were translating "Well, that's quite another kettle of fish" into German, I would have two choices: one, to translate the words and leave the German reader entirely clueless about what I said, and two, to translate the idea into the equivalent of "that is another idea entirely" and lose all sense of the underlying language and figure of speech. You can't have it both ways, and perhaps you are best served by having both renditions.
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lol see the metric system drives me nuts, i prefer imperial.To each his own...
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Imperial is not too bad. I was being kind of tounge in cheek about it earlier (well somewhat anyway).
the only thing that really irks me in the game is the yards/nm switch on the tools. i ping a contact, and he's 28,567yds away. i have to convert that to NM just to place a mark on the map. yeah, its not that big a deal.. just divide by two to get a decent idea (~14nm), but i sometimes find myself forgetting to do that lol. |
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Yeah, it would be nice to be able to do those conversions in the game. After awhile dividing by 2000 becomes second nature. Also remember a target traveling 3 knots is going 300 yards a minute, 100 yards in 20 seconds. One knot is 100 yards per minute.
Yes, imperial measurements are closer to how nature works, metric is strictly for our retarded convenience, but have little connection with reality. It's a lousy choice. But what are computers for? Reminds me of the all time circle runner stupidity award. I was working as a marine mechanic many moons (about 25 years) ago and from across the yard, a fellow mechanic (pronounced mech' a nick) yelled, "Hey Steve", "Eh?", Hey I forget. How many sixteenths in an inch?" I had to think real hard before I answered that one... "Who's buried in Grant's tomb?"
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