He calls it racism...

Skybird · 09-16-09, 05:13 AM

... and I think since quite a while now that that assessment is absolutely right. The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama, comparing him to the worst criminals and massmurderes in the history of mankind, cannot be just differing opinion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

What you see in many pictures about opposition to Obama, his policy or his person, often is nothing else but unveiled hate. That Republicans line up with such sentiments tells you somethign about their political self-understanding and missionary spirit that makes them believe that they and only they have the right to hold power, and that voting against them is almost unnatural.

That there would be angry opposition to Obama, was to be expected. But that it reaches that far, would bturn so shamelessly public and unhidden, becomes so unforgivingly hostile and irrational and hysteric, is a big desillusionment about the United States's freedom and political culture.

One would wish that quite some Americans would live for one or two decades under a Stalin or Nazi regime or in a death camp and suffer from tyranny and supression. Just that they get an idea of what it is that they accuse Obama of.

Somebody who abuses his freedoms for such excesses as we see in the opposition to Obama, must accept the question if he is really ripe enogh to deserve them.

And no, I am no big Obama fan, I see his record so far very critically, and in parts as misled and dangerous. I always said he is a great speaker, but as a political acxtor is overestimated, so that he necessarily must fail. and in parts that is his own guilt, since he certainly helped to push expectations up beyond what was reasonable.

In germany, not few comparisons and hate-fiulled tirades that get fired would lead to persons ending at court, for incitement of the people, and slandering and character assassination.

MothBalls · 09-16-09, 05:51 AM

And he's right.... It's been obvious since before the election. It just took someone with enough credibility and nothing to lose to finally say it. If anyone else stood up and said this it would be the end of their political career. He doesn't have one so he can say anything he wants.

The country really wasn't ready for anything other than the stereotypical President, an old white Christian male,.... until McCain picked Palin. Given that choice, he got elected because he was the lesser of two evils.

If Palin ends up running for president and her party nominates her, I'm gone. I'll go rent a room from Skybird and live in Germany.

Oberon · 09-16-09, 06:56 AM

I predict thread nosedive in approximately three-four hours.

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-09, 07:28 AM

Wrong on two counts:

Skybird...it is not a racial thing with Obama...it is a to radical thing with Obama. He wants to change the entire face of the US in one fell swoop. He is spending like mad and it does not look like any thought is going into it. Congress approval rating is what 35%? Obama approval rating is what 54%? How then is this racial with an approval rating like this? There is a small segament in this society that we can equivically say is racist towards Obama. Then again every President had their detractors no matter what color they are. Pulling the race card with an approval rating over 50% does not make for good math....I take it with a grain of salt that Jimmy Carter is saying this. Jimmy is one of the top 5 worst presidents the US has had IMO.

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The country really wasn't ready for anything other than the stereotypical President, an old white Christian male,.... until McCain picked Palin. Given that choice, he got elected because he was the lesser of two evils.

Not true...Obama outsmarted McCains camp. He played a good hand. Every major city in America was targeted. In the major cities live democrates who for the most part would not normally vote. Obama got them out to vote. He even got smart and used every major media outlet he could find. The most influential being the internet. He won because of his excellent feel good speeches. McCain had not much to offer but the old school politics. Obama is young, fresh and inspiring. These traits helped win the white house. Obama would have one even if McCain had George Washington as a running mate.

August · 09-16-09, 07:30 AM

Gee, where was Skydivers moral outrage during 8 whole years of "Bush = teh hitlerz"?

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-09, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Gee, where was Skydivers moral outrage during 8 whole years of "Bush = teh hitlerz"?

From what I understand Germany is quite racial:

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A black politician in Germany vowed Thursday to continue campaigning for Chancellor Angela Merkel's party despite suffering racial abuse from far-right opponents.

http://www.blnz.com/news/2009/08/13/...cist_7244.html

antikristuseke · 09-16-09, 07:44 AM

Racism is a global problem, no matter how much some people would like to close their eyes and pretend it is not an issue anymore. It may not be as open as it used to be, but it is still there.

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-09, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Racism is a global problem, no matter how much some people would like to close their eyes and pretend it is not an issue anymore. It may not be as open as it used to be, but it is still there.

Absolutely. I just find it funny when some sit on a high horse like none of the worlds ills happen in their neighborhood.

This article coming from a common peanut farmer done good by becoming a president. The world breathed easier when they dump him back in Plains Georgia after 4 years of his nonsense. See the Panama Canal lately? Oh never mind.

antikristuseke · 09-16-09, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Absolutely. I just find it funny when some sit on a high horse like none of the worlds ills happen in their neighborhood.

Agreed, but personally did not get this vibe in this thread.

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-09, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Agreed, but personally did not get this vibe in this thread.

I do not either but I felt compelled to point out that racism is global and not just a mainstay in the US.

antikristuseke · 09-16-09, 07:59 AM

Same here, but just for ****s and giggles maybe we should argue about which one of us agrees with the other more on this specific thing.

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-09, 08:04 AM

I certainly do not agree with Carter, Skybird or Mothballs. I think Wilson should had shut up out of respect for Obama and Congress...it is civil behavior to do so. Do I think this racial idea they are peddling is a stretch? Sure do.

antikristuseke · 09-16-09, 08:07 AM

No i ment you and me on the issue that racism is a global issue.

09-16-09, 08:11 AM

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From what I understand Germany is quite racial:

If it was quite racial then that party would reach the threshold in the national elections and get a seat , the threshold for political represntation in Germany is very low yet that bunch of neo-nazis don't even get close to it.
But since you raised a story about that particular party into the topic it comes nicely back to ya. They host an American politician at some of their meetings , he was a wizard once but not like Harry Potter, he even got elected to national government in the US as a republican , though when he ran again he didn't make the cut but was very pleased to boast that he got 55% of the white votes.

AVGWarhawk · 09-16-09, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

No i ment you and me on the issue that racism is a global issue.

You lost me.

09-16-09, 05:13 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He calls it racism... ... and I think since quite a while now that that assessment is absolutely right. The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama, comparing him to the worst criminals and massmurderes in the history of mankind, cannot be just differing opinion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm What you see in many pictures about opposition to Obama, his policy or his person, often is nothing else but unveiled hate. That Republicans line up with such sentiments tells you somethign about their political self-understanding and missionary spirit that makes them believe that they and only they have the right to hold power, and that voting against them is almost unnatural. That there would be angry opposition to Obama, was to be expected. But that it reaches that far, would bturn so shamelessly public and unhidden, becomes so unforgivingly hostile and irrational and hysteric, is a big desillusionment about the United States's freedom and political culture. One would wish that quite some Americans would live for one or two decades under a Stalin or Nazi regime or in a death camp and suffer from tyranny and supression. Just that they get an idea of what it is that they accuse Obama of. Somebody who abuses his freedoms for such excesses as we see in the opposition to Obama, must accept the question if he is really ripe enogh to deserve them. And no, I am no big Obama fan, I see his record so far very critically, and in parts as misled and dangerous. I always said he is a great speaker, but as a political acxtor is overestimated, so that he necessarily must fail. and in parts that is his own guilt, since he certainly helped to push expectations up beyond what was reasonable. In germany, not few comparisons and hate-fiulled tirades that get fired would lead to persons ending at court, for incitement of the people, and slandering and character assassination. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-16-09, 05:51 AM	#2
MothBalls Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	And he's right.... It's been obvious since before the election. It just took someone with enough credibility and nothing to lose to finally say it. If anyone else stood up and said this it would be the end of their political career. He doesn't have one so he can say anything he wants. The country really wasn't ready for anything other than the stereotypical President, an old white Christian male,.... until McCain picked Palin. Given that choice, he got elected because he was the lesser of two evils. If Palin ends up running for president and her party nominates her, I'm gone. I'll go rent a room from Skybird and live in Germany. Last edited by MothBalls; 09-16-09 at 06:31 AM.

09-16-09, 07:30 AM	#5
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Gee, where was Skydivers moral outrage during 8 whole years of "Bush = teh hitlerz"? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

09-16-09, 08:04 AM	#12
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I certainly do not agree with Carter, Skybird or Mothballs. I think Wilson should had shut up out of respect for Obama and Congress...it is civil behavior to do so. Do I think this racial idea they are peddling is a stretch? Sure do. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

09-16-09, 06:56 AM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I predict thread nosedive in approximately three-four hours.

09-16-09, 07:44 AM	#7
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Racism is a global problem, no matter how much some people would like to close their eyes and pretend it is not an issue anymore. It may not be as open as it used to be, but it is still there.

09-16-09, 07:59 AM	#11
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Same here, but just for ****s and giggles maybe we should argue about which one of us agrees with the other more on this specific thing.

09-16-09, 08:07 AM	#13
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	No i ment you and me on the issue that racism is a global issue.