SH4 on a Mac in a VM - Works!!!

[Elphaba]

Hi everyone

Just in case there are any Apple Mac people out there, I just wanted to let people know that I have a 2008 iMac 24", with the 8800GS GPU, 4GB Ram, and 3.06GHz Core 2 Duo. I'm running Snow Leopard and Parallels 4.0.3846.

AND BOTH SH4 and SH3 work virtually flawlessly in a Virtual Machine!!!

Yay!!!!

Which mean I can leave them playing whilst I work, and when a contact pops up I have an excuse to stop work and 'blow sum s**t up'!!!


hehehehe


Thanks

Elphaba

[Rockin Robbins]

Holy cow, that's great! Nice to see that now that Macs have become PCs they really can finally be useful. That's really nice!

Now I wonder if either one can be coaxed to run in Virtualbox under Ubuntu Linux. I can't try it now because Microsloth restricts me from using my Windows software, even twice on the same machine but never running concurrently. So I can't install my copy of Windows inside Virtualbox. That steams me good!

If game companies made their games to run under Linux and Mac as well as Windows, lots of us would be forever grateful!

[Elphaba]

I don't know the specifics... but I've read that SH3 works fine under Ubuntu in a VM...

[Rockin Robbins]

I've read it too but the project leader is long gone and I haven't found any instructions that work. They were running it under WINE, which is not a virtual machine.

I've actually had much better luck running Linux programs under Windows with andLinux than I have running Windows stuff in Linux with WINE. Virtualbox would be the greatest but legally I'd have to buy another copy of Windows. Not going to do that. And I'm not going to cheat either because my dual boot system works just fine. If I need Windows I just boot it.

[Dieselglock]

Hello,

I have been running SH3 with GWX3 Gold and SH4 with OM,RFB,TMO on separate installs for around 18 months now.

I have run these programs on 2 different Macbook Pro's. My latest Pro is a 2.8 Duo Core, 4G ram. It has a 9600M GT video card with 512 Memory. I can run all graphics settings at max.

With both Mac's I have used Bootcamp that is included in the Mac software to partition the Windows portion of the 500g Seagate installed. I run XP pro on the windows portion.

I would have to say I am more than happy with this setup. I would not go back.

[Rockin Robbins]

Too bad Apple is a vendor of overpriced hardware first and a software company second. If I could buy OSX without having to buy their overpriced PC and I could run it on my present machine, I MIGHT be in the market. But their business model being what it is I just hiss in their general direction. Robber barons!

My PC is mine. I'll choose what's in it. I'll choose what software runs on it. I'll choose what software isn't on it. I'll choose whether I want to see web ads if I want, and will even choose which ones. I'm not interested in a non-upgradeable, second quality, black box type computer that assumes I'm a idiot. Of course it does that with a smile. It still irritates the dog squeeze out of me. Their PC/Mac guy commercials say it all. And Apple, in their smug arrogance, doesn't even realize how insulting to the public those are.

I'll never spend a penny on any Apple product. Other than that I wish them well.

[Dieselglock]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Too bad Apple is a vendor of overpriced hardware first and a software company second. If I could buy OSX without having to buy their overpriced PC and I could run it on my present machine, I MIGHT be in the market. But their business model being what it is I just hiss in their general direction. Robber barons!

My PC is mine. I'll choose what's in it. I'll choose what software runs on it. I'll choose what software isn't on it. I'll choose whether I want to see web ads if I want, and will even choose which ones. I'm not interested in a non-upgradeable, second quality, black box type computer that assumes I'm a idiot. Of course it does that with a smile. It still irritates the dog squeeze out of me. Their PC/Mac guy commercials say it all. And Apple, in their smug arrogance, doesn't even realize how insulting to the public those are.

I'll never spend a penny on any Apple product. Other than that I wish them well.

Everybody is entitled to there opinion. I love my Macbook Pro. I have owned Toshiba, Sony, Dell, Alienware (before they were owned by Dell), and Gateway. I like my Mac the best.

I have upgraded the memory and the hard drive. I don't believe it to be any harder to upgrade than any other laptop. I don't get any web ads either. I would have to say the quality is as good or better than any other laptop that I have owned. My wife has an Imac and she loves that too.
As for the comercial, I think it sucks too.

Ps thanks for all your tutorials and tips on manual targeting. I use your methods all the time.

[Rockin Robbins]

No problem Dieselglock! Actually it's kind of nice that Apple has partially yielded to the pressure to build PCs too. That you can run SH4 so well proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Apple has abandoned any claim to uniqueness and just builds PCs with a few proprietary ROMs in them.

Actually you can run OSX on many PCs but, of course, Apple makes it illegal to do so with its insistence that OSX be run only on Apple hardware, which is now no different than PC hardware with a different sticker on it. Sometimes the case is pretty cool looking to make up for the rapacious price. But as you mention, Alienware does the same thing.

Since I bit the bullet and made my own PC, I'm a nuts and bolts guy. I want to be able to swap in a new motherboard, microprocessor and memory to upgrade instead of buying the whole shooting match over again. That keeps me out of the laptop and Apple markets.

If Apple was smart, they'd put the arm on the game companies to produce Apple versions. Then maybe they'd make me happy and produce Linux versions too! Once people found out that they could play the game with twice the speed on a free operating system, they'd check it out. That might put additional pressure on both Microsoft and Apple to put the customer first and quit making lightening wallets their only goal.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

No problem Dieselglock! Actually it's kind of nice that Apple has partially yielded to the pressure to build PCs too. That you can run SH4 so well proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Apple has abandoned any claim to uniqueness and just builds PCs with a few proprietary ROMs in them.

Actually you can run OSX on many PCs but, of course, Apple makes it illegal to do so with its insistence that OSX be run only on Apple hardware, which is now no different than PC hardware with a different sticker on it. Sometimes the case is pretty cool looking to make up for the rapacious price. But as you mention, Alienware does the same thing.

Since I bit the bullet and made my own PC, I'm a nuts and bolts guy. I want to be able to swap in a new motherboard, microprocessor and memory to upgrade instead of buying the whole shooting match over again. That keeps me out of the laptop and Apple markets.

If Apple was smart, they'd put the arm on the game companies to produce Apple versions. Then maybe they'd make me happy and produce Linux versions too! Once people found out that they could play the game with twice the speed on a free operating system, they'd check it out. That might put additional pressure on both Microsoft and Apple to put the customer first and quit making lightening wallets their only goal.

You know they actually started to do that early on but later made the decision that they (Mac) wanted to be taken seriously for serious work no time for silly games

Which is kind of weird as IBM had taken the same stance early on and look what happend

[Rockin Robbins]

You know, that amazing thing is that Apple makes it illegal to use OSX on a Windows machine by being robber barons, and then uses the fact that Macs can run Windows in a virtual machine, while Windows machines can't run OSX (legally) in a virtual machine or any other way as a SALES GIMMICK! They don't understand that they're saying, "We're unethical gangsters so you should buy our crap. Here! We'll brag about what corporate thugs we are and you will buy!"

Same thing with Blue-ray. Sony played Al Capone, bribing, blackmail, gangster competition, not with the best product but with the most coercion, anything goes to eliminate all competition. Now we pay the price with two-thirds of the cost of every Blue-ray purchased to reimburse the gangsters for the graft it took for them to own the market. Not one penny to Sony, ever! Blue-rat could be the greatest thing on Earth and I'll never know or care. Some things are more valuable than entertainment.

You know, everything bad that has ever been said about Bill Gates and the Microsloth crew is true ten times over for Apple. But somehow Apple is "cool" and escapes any of the scorn and European legal hassle that Microsoft has had to go through, even though they really do everything and more that Microsoft seems to be hated for.

Talk about double standards! Where are the European suits against Apple, totally dictating what you can and cannot run on their machines? Apple is just as slimy a company as Sony. Not one penny of my budget ever for either company of thieves.

[Munchausen]

The first version of Windows started selling around 1986-87 ... using a slightly familiar interface. With little pictures instead of the DOS command line. Now, where had I seen that kind of interface before? Hmmmmm. Think it was on a brick-like computer, about half the length of my current PC tower. Can't remember the name.

[Rockin Robbins]

There were other primitive GUIs around at that time as well. Mac didn't spawn in a vacuum. Otherwise they would own the patent/copyright on the very idea of a GUI and would lock out the very existence of any other GUI in the universe, consigning all other operating systems to the command line.

For instance, I used to use Ventura Publisher a lot in the stone age. It came with a runtime version of GEM, Xerox's original GUI, predating Mac. It worked really well for its time. Seems to me that the ole Mac sorta resembled GEM, from which it was copied by a couple of defecting Xerox radicals.

A thief shouldn't call a thief a thief.But Apple loves to do that because they think we're stupid. Hey, a new advertising campaign for them: We Think You're Stupid. People will buy!!!! How cool is that?

[Munchausen]

From Wikipedia

GEM

GSX evolved into one part of what would later be known as GEM, which was an effort to build a fully GUI system using the earlier GSX work as its basis. Originally known as Crystal as a play on an IBM project called Glass, the name was later changed to Gem, the use of the acronym evolved later (see backronym).

Under GEM, GSX became the GEM VDI, responsible for basic graphics and drawing. VDI also added the ability to work with multiple fonts and added a selection of raster drawing commands to the formerly vector-only GKS-based drawing commands. VDI also added multiple viewports, a key addition for use with windows.

A new module, GEM AES (Application Environment Services), provided the window management and UI elements, and GEM Desktop used both libraries in combination to provide a Mac-like GUI. The 8086 version of the entire system was first demoed at the 1984 COMDEX,[1] and shipped as GEM/1 on 28 February 1985.[2]

Later versions

At this point Apple Computer sued DRI in what would turn into a long dispute over the "look and feel" of the GEM/1 system, which was an almost direct copy of the Macintosh (with some elements bearing a closer resemblance to those in the earlier Lisa). This eventually led to DRI being forced to change several basic features of the system. Apple would later go on to sue other companies for similar issues.

DRI responded with the "lawsuit friendly" GEM/2, which allowed the display of only two fixed windows on the "desktop" (other programs could do what they wished however), changed the trash can icon, and removed the animations for things like opening and closing windows. It was otherwise similar to GEM/1, but also included a number of bug fixes and cosmetic improvements.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic...nt_Manager#GSX

[sergei]

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[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Munchausen

From Wikipedia


Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic...nt_Manager#GSX

You left out the part where GEM was written by another couple of refugees from the Xerox PARC team that really invented the GUI. GEM was not a copy in any way of the Mac operating system. It was a co-developed (by other renegades from Xerox) as a parallel development and squished by the gangster tactics of Apple.

It still wasn't as good as the Apple OS, but I remember it fondly as a cute little bug.

Be that as it may, the GUI was invented over at a quaint little company called Xerox, by a team called PARC. These guys were met with complete disdain by their corporation who couldn't see beyond "we build copiers." As a result, Xerox published Ventura Publisher and then just let it die on the vine, in spite of the fact that it was a better document producer than Aldus Persuasion for the Mac! My copy of Ventura Publisher from Xerox came with a runtime copy of GEM, by the way. That's why I'm so familiar with it.

When the handwriting was on the wall that Xerox didn't shive a git about a computing revolution the PARC team fragmented, some forming the Apple Mac team that killed off the Apple ][ and Apple /// lines, and some developing GEM. Apple didn't base on GEM and GEM didn't base on Apple. They both evolved from a common ancestor, PARC. There was no basis for the lawsuit, which was just legal thuggery typical of Apple corporation. When you can't win on the merits, you just bleed 'em to death with legal costs that you can afford to absorb and they can't. Life in the fast lane ain't pretty sometimes.

By the way, this information is contained in abbreviated form in the article you quoted. What caused you to excise the relevant points?

KDE and Gnome are two great and healthy GUIs today. I have Gnome presently adopting the look and feel of OSX (with the Mac4Lin theme pack) so I can mock it every time I use a free operating system. I have to admit I am junking most of the cool stuff that Gnome users value over Windows and Mac to do so. But I can load another theme in seconds. A majority of Gnome users would mock me for mocking OSX, saying, "Why are you wasting time emulating an inferior operating system?" They don't appreciate sincere mockery...

Unlike the straightjacket Windows and Apple worlds, under Linux, you have a choice of a variety of GUIs to operate under. KDE and Gnome (pronounced with a hard "g" if you want to be among the cool) being the top two in terms of numbers of users. KDE is now available for Windows in a version that is almost ready for prime time. That could be very interesting, as Linux programming, cross-compiled for Windows, has already made incredible inroads with Firefox, Thunderbird, Songbird, GIMP, VLC Media Player, Blender, ffdshow audio and video codecs, GnuCash, ImgBurn, DriveImageXML, Inkscape, VirtualBox and Pidgin all cross-compiled from the free Linux world. Some, like the Firefox family, are just taking over, showing that open source will be a vital force for our computing future. We try to model our SH4 modding community after the Linux open source ethic.

No I'm afraid I was unable to get SH4 to behave under WINE. It would have to run inside a Windows virtual machine. Instead of that I've elected to go with a dual boot system.