Any useful info on the Liverpool to Murmansk convoy/s?

Paul Riley · 05-16-09, 04:17 PM

In my current mission to patrol AE67 I plan to set up a new patrol somewhere in the Denmark Strait after initial 24hrs have expired,in order to attack supplies heading for Russia,as heavy fighting is now taking place at Stalingrad.I would like some useful information on traffic passing through this area,as this will be my first foray into said area,such as,

- Dates of formation and disbanding of specific convoy/s (I am in Nov 42)
- Types of shipping expected in this area,normal merchants,tankers,etc
- Approximate course of convoy/s through grid AD33,NE,NNE,etc
- Average speed of outbound convoy/s (From UK),slow,med etc
- Military strength of convoy/s (if any is expected that is),low,med etc
- Expected air cover around Iceland

I appreciate most of this info will be random from many people's experiences,but any info of any kind will be useful.

Lastly,does the game allow you to sail into areas of water without a grid reference?,as I plan to attack traffic as it heads towards Russia for as long as is needed,if I find them that is.

Thanks.

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 03:50 AM

Guess I was asking for the practically impossible on this one,as every game is probably going to be different anyway.

Can someone at least tell me what month in 42 the JW convoy to Russia forms up?I looked online it was actually December.I am in Nov so...hmm,quite a dilemma,I could wait in the Denmark Strait until December,see what happens,and sail back home sometime in the new year,after sending my personal regards to Stalin.

Torplexed · 05-17-09, 09:38 AM

Here's a wikipedia link that lays out all the JW and PQ convoy departure dates. However, I'm not sure even GWX simulates the Arctic convoys in this much detail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_...f_World_War_II

Good luck on your attempt to interdict supplies to Uncle Joe. Bear in mind that the majority of Lend-Lease supplies eventually entered Russia through Vladivostok and the Persian corridor.

airwolf48453 · 05-17-09, 10:31 AM

http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/jw/index.html here is a site that talks about all convoy's this link is for JW as requested.

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 10:34 AM

Thanks very much,both of you

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 10:39 AM

Shame we dont have snow and ice modelled in SH3,I would love to sail through an arctic blizzard,knowing it is far worse for my prey to travel through such conditions.It would have added so much realism and depth when going through the northern routes.I don't suppose there IS a mod out there somewhere that attempts to model this?,like modifying the rain graphics somehow?worth a thought at least

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 10:43 AM

As I asked before,does the game allow us to travel into far out areas,such as areas of sea without a grid reference?,such as the Norwegian and Barents sea?

Thanks a lot.

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 10:50 AM

Apparently there were convoys out of Iceland bound for Russia,yet later on they shifted that convoy to Loch Ewe.Looking at my map there is no traffic out of Iceland other than a small merchant route,hmm.
Also,looks like JW did in fact form in Dec 42,damn,that throws me out by a month.Would it be feasible do you think to wait until Dec for this convoy to pass?,have any of you done this in your campaigns?,I mean hung around for specific events to happen?

Leg · 05-17-09, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

As I asked before,does the game allow us to travel into far out areas,such as areas of sea without a grid reference?,such as the Norwegian and Barents sea?

Thanks a lot.

Sure you can; I went to Narvik during the Norwegian campaign (there are no grids there) without any problem.

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 11:11 AM

Thanks Leg,

Looks like i'll be looking forward to my foray into the Arctic then

Jimbuna · 05-17-09, 11:22 AM

You may come across icebergs and there are a few arctic skins around

Paul Riley · 05-17-09, 12:48 PM

Nice shots Jim

I am assuming those skins are only compatible with GWX,and not the stock game? I am currently waiting for GWX which is being sorted out for me.

Jimbuna · 05-17-09, 12:55 PM

IIRC they should work fine with any SH3 installation.

Is this benevolent purpose walking with them to your place of abode?

Captain Nemo · 05-20-09, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leg

Sure you can; I went to Narvik during the Norwegian campaign (there are no grids there) without any problem.

I did something similar recently, I was assigned grid AF61 which is round near the top of Norway, the date is May 1940. After completing 24 hours there I decided to take a trip to Spitsbergen. Some good scenery to be seen and it never gets dark up there that time of the year, which was something I hadn't experienced in SH3. Came across a few Norwegian patrol vessels which I avoided and I planned to attack the ports of Barentberg or Longyearbyen, but the weather turned nasty and scuppered those plans. Now heading for Jan Mayen island.

Nemo

Paul Riley · 05-20-09, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

IIRC they should work fine with any SH3 installation.

Is this benevolent purpose walking with them to your place of abode?

Sorry Jim,

nikbear is delivering GWX 3.0 Gold plus tonnes of mods on discs for me.
And I always thought Christmas was 25th Dec

05-16-09, 04:17 PM	#1
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Any useful info on the Liverpool to Murmansk convoy/s? In my current mission to patrol AE67 I plan to set up a new patrol somewhere in the Denmark Strait after initial 24hrs have expired,in order to attack supplies heading for Russia,as heavy fighting is now taking place at Stalingrad.I would like some useful information on traffic passing through this area,as this will be my first foray into said area,such as, - Dates of formation and disbanding of specific convoy/s (I am in Nov 42) - Types of shipping expected in this area,normal merchants,tankers,etc - Approximate course of convoy/s through grid AD33,NE,NNE,etc - Average speed of outbound convoy/s (From UK),slow,med etc - Military strength of convoy/s (if any is expected that is),low,med etc - Expected air cover around Iceland I appreciate most of this info will be random from many people's experiences,but any info of any kind will be useful. Lastly,does the game allow you to sail into areas of water without a grid reference?,as I plan to attack traffic as it heads towards Russia for as long as is needed,if I find them that is. Thanks. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes Last edited by Paul Riley; 05-17-09 at 05:58 AM.

05-17-09, 03:50 AM	#2
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Guess I was asking for the practically impossible on this one,as every game is probably going to be different anyway. Can someone at least tell me what month in 42 the JW convoy to Russia forms up?I looked online it was actually December.I am in Nov so...hmm,quite a dilemma,I could wait in the Denmark Strait until December,see what happens,and sail back home sometime in the new year,after sending my personal regards to Stalin. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 09:38 AM	#3
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Here's a wikipedia link that lays out all the JW and PQ convoy departure dates. However, I'm not sure even GWX simulates the Arctic convoys in this much detail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_...f_World_War_II Good luck on your attempt to interdict supplies to Uncle Joe. Bear in mind that the majority of Lend-Lease supplies eventually entered Russia through Vladivostok and the Persian corridor. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

05-17-09, 10:31 AM	#4
airwolf48453 Helmsman Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan/USA Posts: 103 Downloads: 201 Uploads: 0	http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/jw/index.html here is a site that talks about all convoy's this link is for JW as requested. __________________ A Point Of Great Significance...Is The Keen Sensitivity Of The Wolf To The Condition Of It's Prey. In Judging What He Can Handle And What Should Prudently Be Left Alone, The Wolf Brings To His Daily Work Sophisticated Skills Completely Beyond Our Human Keen. These Are Made Possible By Inborn Capacities Effectively Tuned And Developed In The Young Wolf Through An Apprenticeship That Only The Capable Survive.

05-17-09, 10:34 AM	#5
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Thanks very much,both of you __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 10:39 AM	#6
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Shame we dont have snow and ice modelled in SH3,I would love to sail through an arctic blizzard,knowing it is far worse for my prey to travel through such conditions.It would have added so much realism and depth when going through the northern routes.I don't suppose there IS a mod out there somewhere that attempts to model this?,like modifying the rain graphics somehow?worth a thought at least __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 10:43 AM	#7
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	As I asked before,does the game allow us to travel into far out areas,such as areas of sea without a grid reference?,such as the Norwegian and Barents sea? Thanks a lot. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 10:50 AM	#8
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Apparently there were convoys out of Iceland bound for Russia,yet later on they shifted that convoy to Loch Ewe.Looking at my map there is no traffic out of Iceland other than a small merchant route,hmm. Also,looks like JW did in fact form in Dec 42,damn,that throws me out by a month.Would it be feasible do you think to wait until Dec for this convoy to pass?,have any of you done this in your campaigns?,I mean hung around for specific events to happen? __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 11:11 AM	#10
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Thanks Leg, Looks like i'll be looking forward to my foray into the Arctic then __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 11:22 AM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You may come across icebergs and there are a few arctic skins around __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-17-09, 12:48 PM	#12
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Nice shots Jim I am assuming those skins are only compatible with GWX,and not the stock game? I am currently waiting for GWX which is being sorted out for me. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-17-09, 12:55 PM	#13
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	IIRC they should work fine with any SH3 installation. Is this benevolent purpose walking with them to your place of abode? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!