Ships sinking time (GWX)

Shadowblade · 05-16-09, 10:06 AM

Hi,
what is max. sinking time in GWX (still playing GWX 2.1 career) ? How long should I wait before firing next eel into crippled ship, when I have safe position (no DDs around) and I cant use deckgun for coup de grâce (warship, armed merchant).

thnx

melnibonian · 05-16-09, 10:23 AM

There is no such thing as maximum sinking time. Ships accumulate damage as they are hit and flood. If the flooding is controled then they need to be hit again. If not then eventually they will sink.

Shadowblade · 06-27-09, 02:52 PM

ok, I rather mean recorded (in GWX) sinking times - my max. sinking time is 2h 30min (Modern Tanker, 1 impact torpedo) so far. Has anyone higher sinking times ?

Jimbuna · 06-27-09, 03:09 PM

Sinking times vary considerablt depending on the number of areas that are holed and the percentage of damage caused in each.

In game terms 4 hours can elapse quite regularly in my experience.

Platapus · 06-27-09, 04:30 PM

When in doubt give em another eel!

Shadowblade · 06-27-09, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

When in doubt give em another eel!

well, I dont want to waste my eels when flooding can do the rest of work.

Last time I was shadowing severely wounded Southampton cruiser (1 torpedo hit, speed decresed to about 1 knot, lifeboat in water, heavily listed - I didnt know how such listed ship could still move, but her remaining crew managed to control the flooding) for 24 hrs before I finished her with one of my last internal torpedoes. Cruiser sank after explosions of ammo bunkers.

lostsm · 06-27-09, 06:40 PM

i'm submerged near a small merchant i hit with the IIA, and it's been over 12 hours on TC 1024, and it still hasn't sunk.

i hit it in the keel, then with some flak to blow up the cargo and life boat. right now the small merchant has a fire, is going 0 knots but doesn't seem to be losing height (listing?)

not sure what i did wrong, but with my limited amount of torpedoes i don't know if those 2k tons is worth another shot when i can be lucky and sink a 10k tons with one torp

Pablo · 06-27-09, 06:56 PM

Hi!

Your 20mm flak won't do much good against a ship, even if you expend your entire ammo load near the waterline. Your best bet is probably to go ahead and sink the crippled ship with a torpedo and then go hunt for more ships. When you run out, just run back to port, reload, and head out again.

Pablo

lostsm · 06-27-09, 08:02 PM

yeah i noticed the flak isn't much

but its fun to blow up the cargo containers, and at least fishing boats can be sunk with it, which sink very fast.

since i posted in this thread i came upon 2 medium cargo ships that both took (what seemed to be forever) a long time to sink. the irony

i'm using gwx 3 and having my weps guy target, this time both was aimed at the fuel bunkers and it was in very calm waters

RoaldLarsen · 06-27-09, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo

Hi!

Your 20mm flak won't do much good against a ship, even if you expend your entire ammo load near the waterline. Your best bet is probably to go ahead and sink the crippled ship with a torpedo and then go hunt for more ships. When you run out, just run back to port, reload, and head out again.

Pablo

Yes, the game doesn't seem to model much (if any) damage by 20mm flak against steel hulls. In reality, those 20mm guns could pierce the hulls of the average ship. I seem to remember reading about one famous u-boat captain finishing off a victim with the 20mm.

Lt.Fillipidis · 06-28-09, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoaldLarsen

I seem to remember reading about one famous u-boat captain finishing off a victim with the 20mm.

I would be intrested in that story.

Usually, before the merchants got deck guns, i fired the flak on light ships but i can confirm it. Very limited damage from the 20mm.

melnibonian · 06-28-09, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoaldLarsen

I seem to remember reading about one famous u-boat captain finishing off a victim with the 20mm.

You're talking about Wolfgang Lüth. It is true that he did used 20mm rounds to sink a ship, but there are a few other things to consider in this story.

1. The Empire Whimbrel was already hit by torpedoes and received hits by the deck gun rounds as well. http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/2859.html

2. The Notre Dame du Châtelet (I think this is the ship you're talking about) was a small wooden sailing ship of 488 tons, but still in order to be sunk rounds from both deck gun and AA guns (20mm) were required http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/923.html

I hope this is useful to clear why 20mm rounds cannot (alone) sink a ship.

meduza · 06-28-09, 05:48 AM

In game it is possible to sink small merchants and similar ships with 20mm. I did it once or twice. Takes a lot of time and ammo....

Shadowblade · 06-28-09, 07:28 AM

I have also few questions about deck gun and flak:

1) can light/heavy flak cause flooding with hits under waterline or there is counted only basic damage of flak round?

2) can light/heavy flak destroy less armored weapons and damage "weak spots" of ship ?

3) have fires on ship's deck and destruction of its cargo and destructible parts (stacks, masts, ...) any effects on ship under fire (Hp loss) ? Community manual recommends aim on cargo (for faster sinking), but I have certain results only with destroyed weapons and searchlights...

4) are there any different attributes between floating docks ? It seems that floating dock in Dover is "more" resistant to deckgun fire (105 mm), last time it absorbed several tens of hits and started smoking only - I couldnt sink it with my deckgun. Similiar floating dock in Scapa Flow was sunk after 5-6 hits. Both docks are type with 33 200 tons and can be destroyed with single torpedo, I was aiming for dock's waterline...

5) In SH3 we can manage only the torpedo loadout. What was situation with managing the ammo for deckgun(s) and flak on uboats, was real Kaleun (or his trusted officer) able to affect quantity and composition (AA/AP) of loaded ammo ?

WilyPete · 06-28-09, 08:00 AM

I hit a ship with 3 eels (though 1 may have detonated prematurely) and it didn't sink for over 48 hours. It was listing to port and the stern was submerged under water and she was stationary in the water. 1 eel hit in the engine room and the other astern, it was a approx a 4500 ton merchant. Seeing it was getting beyond riduclous and I had no more eels left (IIa) I decided to fire all my 20cm flak rounds at it. Well, the cargo exploded but nothing much else. So on the third day I left it and returned to base. I have to add that the sea was dead calm...that probably didn't help either as even the smallest waves would've brought her under.

As for 20cm flak ever having sunk a merchant ship, I have managed it only once. Was one of the really small merchants. It was hit with 1 torpedo if I remember correctly and was just dead in the water without listing. I fired the flax and after the cargo exploded and secondary explosions too and then there was an almighty explosion and the thing just broke in two. I'm sure it was the flak as it was so different from the effects the eels have.

05-16-09, 10:06 AM	#1
Shadowblade Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 691 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Ships sinking time, Flak, Deck Gun (GWX) Hi, what is max. sinking time in GWX (still playing GWX 2.1 career) ? How long should I wait before firing next eel into crippled ship, when I have safe position (no DDs around) and I cant use deckgun for coup de grâce (warship, armed merchant). thnx __________________ Kapitänleutnant Vlad von Carstein - U-Flotilla Saltzwedel - U-123, Type IXB SH3 GWX 3.0 Last edited by Shadowblade; 06-28-09 at 03:33 PM. Reason: added new questions

05-16-09, 10:23 AM	#2
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	There is no such thing as maximum sinking time. Ships accumulate damage as they are hit and flood. If the flooding is controled then they need to be hit again. If not then eventually they will sink. __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

06-27-09, 02:52 PM	#3
Shadowblade Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 691 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	ok, I rather mean recorded (in GWX) sinking times - my max. sinking time is 2h 30min (Modern Tanker, 1 impact torpedo) so far. Has anyone higher sinking times ? __________________ Kapitänleutnant Vlad von Carstein - U-Flotilla Saltzwedel - U-123, Type IXB SH3 GWX 3.0

06-27-09, 03:09 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Sinking times vary considerablt depending on the number of areas that are holed and the percentage of damage caused in each. In game terms 4 hours can elapse quite regularly in my experience. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-27-09, 04:30 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	When in doubt give em another eel! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-27-09, 06:40 PM	#7
lostsm Sailor man Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 47 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	i'm submerged near a small merchant i hit with the IIA, and it's been over 12 hours on TC 1024, and it still hasn't sunk. i hit it in the keel, then with some flak to blow up the cargo and life boat. right now the small merchant has a fire, is going 0 knots but doesn't seem to be losing height (listing?) not sure what i did wrong, but with my limited amount of torpedoes i don't know if those 2k tons is worth another shot when i can be lucky and sink a 10k tons with one torp

06-27-09, 06:56 PM	#8
Pablo Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Hi! Your 20mm flak won't do much good against a ship, even if you expend your entire ammo load near the waterline. Your best bet is probably to go ahead and sink the crippled ship with a torpedo and then go hunt for more ships. When you run out, just run back to port, reload, and head out again. Pablo __________________ "...far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, speech before the Hamilton Club, Chicago, April 10, 1899

06-27-09, 08:02 PM	#9
lostsm Sailor man Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 47 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	yeah i noticed the flak isn't much but its fun to blow up the cargo containers, and at least fishing boats can be sunk with it, which sink very fast. since i posted in this thread i came upon 2 medium cargo ships that both took (what seemed to be forever) a long time to sink. the irony i'm using gwx 3 and having my weps guy target, this time both was aimed at the fuel bunkers and it was in very calm waters

06-28-09, 05:48 AM	#13
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	In game it is possible to sink small merchants and similar ships with 20mm. I did it once or twice. Takes a lot of time and ammo.... __________________

06-28-09, 07:28 AM	#14
Shadowblade Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 691 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I have also few questions about deck gun and flak: 1) can light/heavy flak cause flooding with hits under waterline or there is counted only basic damage of flak round? 2) can light/heavy flak destroy less armored weapons and damage "weak spots" of ship ? 3) have fires on ship's deck and destruction of its cargo and destructible parts (stacks, masts, ...) any effects on ship under fire (Hp loss) ? Community manual recommends aim on cargo (for faster sinking), but I have certain results only with destroyed weapons and searchlights... 4) are there any different attributes between floating docks ? It seems that floating dock in Dover is "more" resistant to deckgun fire (105 mm), last time it absorbed several tens of hits and started smoking only - I couldnt sink it with my deckgun. Similiar floating dock in Scapa Flow was sunk after 5-6 hits. Both docks are type with 33 200 tons and can be destroyed with single torpedo, I was aiming for dock's waterline... 5) In SH3 we can manage only the torpedo loadout. What was situation with managing the ammo for deckgun(s) and flak on uboats, was real Kaleun (or his trusted officer) able to affect quantity and composition (AA/AP) of loaded ammo ? __________________ Kapitänleutnant Vlad von Carstein - U-Flotilla Saltzwedel - U-123, Type IXB SH3 GWX 3.0

06-28-09, 08:00 AM	#15
WilyPete Mate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 57 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I hit a ship with 3 eels (though 1 may have detonated prematurely) and it didn't sink for over 48 hours. It was listing to port and the stern was submerged under water and she was stationary in the water. 1 eel hit in the engine room and the other astern, it was a approx a 4500 ton merchant. Seeing it was getting beyond riduclous and I had no more eels left (IIa) I decided to fire all my 20cm flak rounds at it. Well, the cargo exploded but nothing much else. So on the third day I left it and returned to base. I have to add that the sea was dead calm...that probably didn't help either as even the smallest waves would've brought her under. As for 20cm flak ever having sunk a merchant ship, I have managed it only once. Was one of the really small merchants. It was hit with 1 torpedo if I remember correctly and was just dead in the water without listing. I fired the flax and after the cargo exploded and secondary explosions too and then there was an almighty explosion and the thing just broke in two. I'm sure it was the flak as it was so different from the effects the eels have.