First thing I'm gonna do back in port...

sharkbit · 04-27-09, 09:04 AM

... is tell the dock yard workers to get rid of my deck gun!

I'm done with it. I won't be tempted to engage merchants that are armed as well in a duel after putting a eel in their side.

I've taken more damage from trying to engage merchants on the surface after a torpedo attack than from a destroyer's depth charges.

I'm in the Med in March '43 and I thought I'd hang on to my gun for a while, but after my last encounter, it's finished. I'd unbolt it and throw it overboard now if I could.

I got 83% HI, a wounded watch officer, flooding, and damaged systems throughout the boat before the passenger/cargo ship went down after putting 2 torpedoes in her on 2 seperate attacks.

Everything is under control/repaired now and am continuing the patrol and in the process of intetrcepting a convoy SE of Malta but deck gun attacks are kaput now unless I confirm the target is unarmed.

Rant over.

mookiemookie · 04-27-09, 09:06 AM

I'm with ya. I sometimes get the itch to use it now and again, but then you look at the ma-hoo-sive guns that even the smallest ships are carrying these days (1943) and you say screw it.

={FH}=Paddy · 04-27-09, 09:12 AM

Ewww, I know that frustration only too well!
Good luck with the convoy attack mate and keep that "popcorn" deck gun locked down & plugged up!!!!

Synthfg · 04-27-09, 09:35 AM

Your doing it wrong, By 42/43 never use the deck gun at ranges under 3500m

Jimbuna · 04-27-09, 11:37 AM

You obviously never heeded the historical lessons of over 60 years ago

Threesixtyci · 04-27-09, 04:03 PM

Does it even matter, though?
I mean, does the game even model the drag for it?

Jimbuna · 04-27-09, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Threesixtyci

Does it even matter, though?
I mean, does the game even model the drag for it?

Afraid not.

Hanomag · 04-28-09, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbit

... is tell the dock yard workers to get rid of my deck gun!

I'm done with it. I won't be tempted to engage merchants that are armed as well in a duel after putting a eel in their side.

I've taken more damage from trying to engage merchants on the surface after a torpedo attack than from a destroyer's depth charges.

I feel your pain bro... some of my past rantings...

DeadEye Dan

AA Lethality?

Now that I look back they are pretty funny to read. But at the time I was throwing stuff around in my office. :rotfl:

Also my understanding of what really happened was not ah..er.. adjusted to accuracy. After years of playing now I am accustomed to the realism factor... GASP!

UnderseaLcpl · 04-28-09, 01:50 PM

There is a simple fix to the problem you're having with merchants shooting you. Simply plot an intercept and target track like you normally would, but use it to put yourself on a course parallel to the merchant, within 100m of his track.

Next, surface and use the AA gun to blow his guns off. Then attack as normal. You'll be below the arc of his weapons, so he can't hit you. Just watch out for his zigzags, and make sure to get some distance before you sink him. He might explode.

Obviously, this won't work for Hanomag, since he can't hit a damn thing if it is more than 15 yds away

Hanomag · 04-28-09, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Obviously, this won't work for Hanomag, since he can't hit a damn thing if it is more than 15 yds away

LMAO!! :rotfl:

danlisa · 04-29-09, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Threesixtyci

Does it even matter, though?
I mean, does the game even model the drag for it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Afraid not.

Correct mate.

However, back in the GW days we had a mod that removed the DG and modeled the changes to Dive times, Drag Effects & Turn radius.

In fact it was GW's very own VonHelsching that built and released it. Here's the original thread - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...eckgun+removal

Now, TBH I can't remember does SH3 Commander remove the DG for you? IF it does, are we sure that JS hasn't included the changes within SH3Cmdr?

Anyway, the above mod won't work now but it does list the changes required to make it happen.

Happy modding.

Jimbuna · 04-29-09, 07:12 AM

At my age my memory doesn't allow me to remember that far back

Well spotted

danlisa · 04-29-09, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

At my age my memory doesn't allow me to remember that far back

Well spotted

Holy Moly!

I just checked the date of Vons thread, just over 3yrs ago. I'm surprised I remembered it esp. as I can't recall what I did yesterday.

Now all we need is a current active modder to make the mod again.

sharkbit · 05-01-09, 08:37 AM

DONE!

Got back to La Spezia last night. Me and the boys unbolted the gun and mounted it in the flotilla chief's front yard, filled the barrel with dirt and planted flowers in it.

I just hope my next patrol area isn't Gibraltar.

Bronzewing · 05-02-09, 10:26 AM

Shouldn't the Deck gun still be ok for small and coastal merchants? I mean those little ships only have a gun on one end so as long as you only attack from the other end it can't fire back at you right?

04-27-09, 09:04 AM	#1
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	First thing I'm gonna do back in port... ... is tell the dock yard workers to get rid of my deck gun! I'm done with it. I won't be tempted to engage merchants that are armed as well in a duel after putting a eel in their side. I've taken more damage from trying to engage merchants on the surface after a torpedo attack than from a destroyer's depth charges. I'm in the Med in March '43 and I thought I'd hang on to my gun for a while, but after my last encounter, it's finished. I'd unbolt it and throw it overboard now if I could. I got 83% HI, a wounded watch officer, flooding, and damaged systems throughout the boat before the passenger/cargo ship went down after putting 2 torpedoes in her on 2 seperate attacks. Everything is under control/repaired now and am continuing the patrol and in the process of intetrcepting a convoy SE of Malta but deck gun attacks are kaput now unless I confirm the target is unarmed. Rant over. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

04-27-09, 09:06 AM	#2
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I'm with ya. I sometimes get the itch to use it now and again, but then you look at the ma-hoo-sive guns that even the smallest ships are carrying these days (1943) and you say screw it. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

04-27-09, 09:12 AM	#3
={FH}=Paddy Electrician's Mate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin - Ireland - 53° 15′ 54.36″ N, 6° 6′ 49.32″ W Posts: 136 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ewww, I know that frustration only too well! Good luck with the convoy attack mate and keep that "popcorn" deck gun locked down & plugged up!!!! __________________ ={Draft beer not people}=

04-27-09, 11:37 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You obviously never heeded the historical lessons of over 60 years ago __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-28-09, 01:50 PM	#9
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There is a simple fix to the problem you're having with merchants shooting you. Simply plot an intercept and target track like you normally would, but use it to put yourself on a course parallel to the merchant, within 100m of his track. Next, surface and use the AA gun to blow his guns off. Then attack as normal. You'll be below the arc of his weapons, so he can't hit you. Just watch out for his zigzags, and make sure to get some distance before you sink him. He might explode. Obviously, this won't work for Hanomag, since he can't hit a damn thing if it is more than 15 yds away __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

04-27-09, 09:35 AM	#4
Synthfg Sparky Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 154 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Your doing it wrong, By 42/43 never use the deck gun at ranges under 3500m

04-27-09, 04:03 PM	#6
Threesixtyci Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CC, Texas Posts: 114 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Does it even matter, though? I mean, does the game even model the drag for it?

04-29-09, 07:12 AM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	At my age my memory doesn't allow me to remember that far back Well spotted __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-01-09, 08:37 AM	#14
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	DONE! Got back to La Spezia last night. Me and the boys unbolted the gun and mounted it in the flotilla chief's front yard, filled the barrel with dirt and planted flowers in it. I just hope my next patrol area isn't Gibraltar. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

05-02-09, 10:26 AM	#15
Bronzewing Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Leicester Posts: 104 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Shouldn't the Deck gun still be ok for small and coastal merchants? I mean those little ships only have a gun on one end so as long as you only attack from the other end it can't fire back at you right? __________________ "I say Number one, my end is diving. What the hell is your end doing?"