You make the call....

kbak303 · 04-09-09, 05:18 PM

remember that in the old days.. I think it was Old Spice that sponsered it...some of the commercials during the old NFL games..

OK...I want to see what YOU would have done my last mission...

May 1940...patrolling grid AE after leaving the supply ship off greenland...overcast, rain,
"WARSHIP SPOTTED"
I dive to periscope depth, hard right rudder..heading around 158 degrees or so...find them in my periscope...there..northwest of us....

An American convoy..all warships...several destroyers..can see a cruiser it appears, 2 BIG BATTLESHIPS..first i've seen. destroyer screen passes me, closest is at 267, moving fast away...next one inbound...drop scope...ahead flank, 15 meters depth...spin around...from the bow tubes I have electric in tubes 3 and 1, steam in 2 and 4. 4300 yards to the trailing battleship, 114 degrees and climbing on the angle..

i didn't make the shot due to them being neutral and cautious of renown.

the trailing destroyer is inbound..drop my scope again and head towards him, ahead slow and dropping to 80 meters and let them head on by towards Rekjavik...never was pinged..no depth charges...

What would you have done? what would've been the negative effects on a neutral

FIREWALL · 04-09-09, 05:27 PM

With the manuvers and noise you made you, would have been DEAD if they hadn't been Neutral.

Also fireing on a neutral Taskforce is asking for the Death card.

They wouldn't have quit till they made a fish dinner out of you.

You were smart to play it safe.

mookiemookie · 04-09-09, 05:46 PM

Battleships are worth a lot of renown. Renown that would have been deducted from your score for sinking a neutral. Best to let them pass.

kbak303 · 04-09-09, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

With the manuvers and noise you made you, would have been DEAD if they hadn't been Neutral.

Also fireing on a neutral Taskforce is asking for the Death card.

They wouldn't have quit till they made a fish dinner out of you.

You were smart to play it safe.

i figured I would be...I was shocked when the destroyers went on by and never pinged...

learning to be berry berry quiet now...getting trashed in the channel for 3 hours already by a little bitty ASW trawler!

FIREWALL · 04-09-09, 06:43 PM

@ KB Those little ones hang on like a Pitbull.

Oneshot/Onekill · 04-09-09, 09:46 PM

You weren't pinged because there were no hostilities yet between Germany and the United States.

Had they been hostile, as FIREWALL eluded to already, the escorts would have located you long before you'd been in a decent firing position.

RoaldLarsen · 04-10-09, 01:55 AM

As I recall, the US didn't enter the war until after it had been running 2 1/4 years. IIRC, they only joined the hostilities when somebody made the mistake of sinking some of their battleships in a sneak attack without prior declaration of war. Who knows how long it would have taken them to join the just cause if potential enemies had just left American ships alone.

The cold war might have been a very different thing if the US had entered the war before the fall of France and more than a year before the German invasion of Russia.

At a guess, the Germans would not have invaded Russia, the Russians would have attacked (for which they were building their armed forces.) The Eastern front at the end of 1941 would have been 1,000km further west than it actually was. Italy would have been knocked out of the war sooner, and there is a chance that Spain might have been invaded by the Allies. Unless there was a separate peace with the Western Allies, it is unlikely that the Russians would have been stopped before they hit the Rhine, and possibly not until they hit the Atlantic.

The Western Allies had a hard enough time defeating a fraction of the depleted German Army. Could they have beaten the Army that defeated Germany? I doubt it. So they probably don't fight Russia straight off, and all Western mainland Europe becomes Communist.

Tough call on how this would have affected the Japanese. With the US involved in Europe they seem to have a free hand to act in the Pacific. OTOH, with Russia not nearly so close to disaster, they would have felt less confident about China. My guess is Pearl Harbour might have come a bit earlier, if they could get the units ready, but the Brits would be trying to avoid a war between Japan and the US so as to bring Japan in against Russia. Then the cold war gets replaced by an earlier shooting war, with the West, Japan, India, Turkey and one Chinese faction taking on Russia and another Chinese faction.

Would have made the actual Second World War look like a sideshow. I think you should have taken the shot. Are you willing to accept that responsibility?

Laufen zum Ziel · 04-10-09, 12:08 PM

You did the right thing. I have lot's of Death Cards left. This time your name was not on one of them. But, next time....

Live to fight another day.

04-09-09, 05:18 PM	#1
kbak303 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 41 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You make the call.... remember that in the old days.. I think it was Old Spice that sponsered it...some of the commercials during the old NFL games.. OK...I want to see what YOU would have done my last mission... May 1940...patrolling grid AE after leaving the supply ship off greenland...overcast, rain, "WARSHIP SPOTTED" I dive to periscope depth, hard right rudder..heading around 158 degrees or so...find them in my periscope...there..northwest of us.... An American convoy..all warships...several destroyers..can see a cruiser it appears, 2 BIG BATTLESHIPS..first i've seen. destroyer screen passes me, closest is at 267, moving fast away...next one inbound...drop scope...ahead flank, 15 meters depth...spin around...from the bow tubes I have electric in tubes 3 and 1, steam in 2 and 4. 4300 yards to the trailing battleship, 114 degrees and climbing on the angle.. i didn't make the shot due to them being neutral and cautious of renown. the trailing destroyer is inbound..drop my scope again and head towards him, ahead slow and dropping to 80 meters and let them head on by towards Rekjavik...never was pinged..no depth charges... What would you have done? what would've been the negative effects on a neutral

04-09-09, 05:27 PM	#2
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	With the manuvers and noise you made you, would have been DEAD if they hadn't been Neutral. Also fireing on a neutral Taskforce is asking for the Death card. They wouldn't have quit till they made a fish dinner out of you. You were smart to play it safe. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

04-09-09, 05:46 PM	#3
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Battleships are worth a lot of renown. Renown that would have been deducted from your score for sinking a neutral. Best to let them pass. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

04-09-09, 06:43 PM	#5
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	@ KB Those little ones hang on like a Pitbull. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

04-10-09, 01:55 AM	#7
RoaldLarsen Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Control Room Posts: 355 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	As I recall, the US didn't enter the war until after it had been running 2 1/4 years. IIRC, they only joined the hostilities when somebody made the mistake of sinking some of their battleships in a sneak attack without prior declaration of war. Who knows how long it would have taken them to join the just cause if potential enemies had just left American ships alone. The cold war might have been a very different thing if the US had entered the war before the fall of France and more than a year before the German invasion of Russia. At a guess, the Germans would not have invaded Russia, the Russians would have attacked (for which they were building their armed forces.) The Eastern front at the end of 1941 would have been 1,000km further west than it actually was. Italy would have been knocked out of the war sooner, and there is a chance that Spain might have been invaded by the Allies. Unless there was a separate peace with the Western Allies, it is unlikely that the Russians would have been stopped before they hit the Rhine, and possibly not until they hit the Atlantic. The Western Allies had a hard enough time defeating a fraction of the depleted German Army. Could they have beaten the Army that defeated Germany? I doubt it. So they probably don't fight Russia straight off, and all Western mainland Europe becomes Communist. Tough call on how this would have affected the Japanese. With the US involved in Europe they seem to have a free hand to act in the Pacific. OTOH, with Russia not nearly so close to disaster, they would have felt less confident about China. My guess is Pearl Harbour might have come a bit earlier, if they could get the units ready, but the Brits would be trying to avoid a war between Japan and the US so as to bring Japan in against Russia. Then the cold war gets replaced by an earlier shooting war, with the West, Japan, India, Turkey and one Chinese faction taking on Russia and another Chinese faction. Would have made the actual Second World War look like a sideshow. I think you should have taken the shot. Are you willing to accept that responsibility? __________________ 100% realism, DiD Harbor Traffic 1.47(incl. RUB) Using SH3 Commander to implement many custom realism tweaks Covered 1939-1945; now restarting in 1939 again. Completed 39 careers, 210 war patrols, 4.7Mt sunk, 19 subs lost

04-10-09, 12:08 PM	#8
Laufen zum Ziel Eternal Patrol Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hiding on the bottom Posts: 1,783 Downloads: 853 Uploads: 457	You did the right thing. I have lot's of Death Cards left. This time your name was not on one of them. But, next time.... Live to fight another day. __________________ RIP Laufen zum Ziel