Some U-Boats carried (HE-INC-HE/AA)

Laufen zum Ziel · 02-18-09, 02:39 PM

Copy No. _46_ of 46.

S E C R E T

Op-16-Z

NAVY DEPARTMENT

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS

WASHINGTON

FINAL REPORT - G/Serial 34

REPORT ON THE

INTERROGATION OF SURVIVORS FROM U-177

SUNK 6 FEBRUARY 1944

CHAPTER IV. GUNS AND AMMUNITION IN U-177

DECK ARMAMENT

First Patrol - One 105 mm. gun forward of Conning Tower.

One 20 mm. single on bandstand.

One 37 mm. gun (old type) on deck aft.

Second Patrol - One 105 mm. gun forward of Conning Tower.

Two single 20 mm. guns on bandstand.

One 37 mm. (old type) on deck aft.

Three M.G.-15s (demountable) on bridge.

Third Patrol - One 105 mm. gun forward of Conning Tower.

Two 20 mm. twin mounts on Platform I.

One new 37 mm. automatic gun on Platform II.

Four demountable M.G.-15s.

AMMUNITION CARRIED ON THIRD AND LAST PATROL

105 mm: U-177 carried 200 rounds of ammunition for this gun. There were 65 rounds of H.E. packed in gray containers with brown and yellow marking, 65 rounds if incendiary shells in containers marked with a red ring, and 70 rounds of "Zonenmunition" (H.E/A.A. shells) in gray containers with red markings. "Zonenmunition" rounds had yellow markings with black lettering.

In ready-use lockers were 38 rounds of incendiary and H.E., mixed. The rest of the ammunition for this gun was stored in the magazine.

20 mm: 8000 rounds of 20 mm. ammunition were carried.

- 19 - S E C R E T

Full Capture report HERE. Lot of info on this type of U-Boat. It even had a Helo

Chad · 02-18-09, 02:51 PM

This is an awesome find, and very interesting, thanks for sharing

coronas · 02-18-09, 03:48 PM

Great find. Thanks LzZ

bigboywooly · 02-18-09, 03:50 PM

Zonenmunition were anti aircraft shells
Intended for use against big aircraft such as Wellingtons

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-172INT.htm

IIRC only one aircraft ever shot down using a deck gun

Zonenmunition as a shell isnt modelled in SH3 - neither are incendiary shells

Can only find a few references to Zonenmunition ( possibly as very few uboats had deck guns after 41 ) and only in IX boats later in war

The interogation reports are a good read on that site

RoaldLarsen · 02-19-09, 02:51 AM

The interrogation reports provide instances of AP and SAP being among the ammunition carried for 105mm guns on type IXs, as well as HE, incendiary and AA-HE. No starshell mentions seen so far.

The AA-HE could be used against ships as well as aircraft.

Also, from another site, U-701, a type VIIC, employed SAP, HE and incendiary to sink the USCG cutter YP-389

02-19-09, 04:43 AM

you know the old 3.7 heavy flack: isnt it supposed to be explosive??

sh3 is missing alot........

02-18-09, 02:39 PM	#1
Laufen zum Ziel Eternal Patrol Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hiding on the bottom Posts: 1,783 Downloads: 853 Uploads: 457	Some U-Boats carried (HE-INC-HE/AA) Copy No. _46_ of 46. S E C R E T Op-16-Z NAVY DEPARTMENT OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS WASHINGTON FINAL REPORT - G/Serial 34 REPORT ON THE INTERROGATION OF SURVIVORS FROM U-177 SUNK 6 FEBRUARY 1944 CHAPTER IV. GUNS AND AMMUNITION IN U-177 DECK ARMAMENT First Patrol - One 105 mm. gun forward of Conning Tower. One 20 mm. single on bandstand. One 37 mm. gun (old type) on deck aft. Second Patrol - One 105 mm. gun forward of Conning Tower. Two single 20 mm. guns on bandstand. One 37 mm. (old type) on deck aft. Three M.G.-15s (demountable) on bridge. Third Patrol - One 105 mm. gun forward of Conning Tower. Two 20 mm. twin mounts on Platform I. One new 37 mm. automatic gun on Platform II. Four demountable M.G.-15s. AMMUNITION CARRIED ON THIRD AND LAST PATROL 105 mm: U-177 carried 200 rounds of ammunition for this gun. There were 65 rounds of H.E. packed in gray containers with brown and yellow marking, 65 rounds if incendiary shells in containers marked with a red ring, and 70 rounds of "Zonenmunition" (H.E/A.A. shells) in gray containers with red markings. "Zonenmunition" rounds had yellow markings with black lettering. In ready-use lockers were 38 rounds of incendiary and H.E., mixed. The rest of the ammunition for this gun was stored in the magazine. 20 mm: 8000 rounds of 20 mm. ammunition were carried. - 19 - S E C R E T Full Capture report HERE. Lot of info on this type of U-Boat. It even had a Helo __________________ RIP Laufen zum Ziel

02-18-09, 02:51 PM	#2
Chad ACE Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,274 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	This is an awesome find, and very interesting, thanks for sharing __________________

02-18-09, 03:48 PM	#3
coronas Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asturias, España Posts: 1,168 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Great find. Thanks LzZ __________________

02-18-09, 03:50 PM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Zonenmunition were anti aircraft shells Intended for use against big aircraft such as Wellingtons http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-172INT.htm IIRC only one aircraft ever shot down using a deck gun Zonenmunition as a shell isnt modelled in SH3 - neither are incendiary shells Can only find a few references to Zonenmunition ( possibly as very few uboats had deck guns after 41 ) and only in IX boats later in war The interogation reports are a good read on that site __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

02-19-09, 02:51 AM	#5
RoaldLarsen Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Control Room Posts: 355 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	The interrogation reports provide instances of AP and SAP being among the ammunition carried for 105mm guns on type IXs, as well as HE, incendiary and AA-HE. No starshell mentions seen so far. The AA-HE could be used against ships as well as aircraft. Also, from another site, U-701, a type VIIC, employed SAP, HE and incendiary to sink the USCG cutter YP-389

02-19-09, 04:43 AM	#6
magicsub2 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	you know the old 3.7 heavy flack: isnt it supposed to be explosive?? sh3 is missing alot........