Peleus Affair

harzfeld · 02-03-09, 12:35 AM

What's your opinion about this?
http://www.uboat.net/articles/index.html?article=18
Read chapters 1-4.

Do you think Heinz-Wilhem Eck & his two officers deserved a death sentence?
http://uboat.net/men/commanders/232.html

A Very Super Market · 02-03-09, 12:40 AM

Neil all or troll alien?

I'm fairly certain this has been discussed to death already.

harzfeld · 02-03-09, 01:12 AM

Well, I am not here everyday, only when I learned of new mods. I brought it up cuz I am traveling to my patrol area in GWX 3.0, so it takes time. I am bored while traveling with no enemy ships in sight yet, so I looked up at U-boat website after some interesting radio messages on some U-boats while I travel at 256TC, then came cross to this story which got me interested.

GoldenRivet · 02-03-09, 01:23 AM

I've never even heard of this incident.

My opinion... He should have pushed as far south as he could before dawn and left the "debris" alone. At least this is what I would have done.

He could have avoided detection if he acted conservatively over the next 48-72 hours.

No matter the intent... Straffing debris is pretty pointless, and could kill survivors ... Not worth it.

His best course of action would have been to let the ship just sail by unmolested.

Freiwillige · 02-03-09, 03:19 AM

I would have to agree that this would be a war crime. First off he tarnished the U boatwaffe's reputation and set a precedent. Secondly several of his higher ranking officers were openly opposed to this idea. Yea he should have been found guilty. If he made it back to Germany the German naval staff should have put him on trial.

It was not the Kreigsmarines finest moment

Murr44 · 02-03-09, 06:05 PM

Their death sentences were well & truly deserved in my opinion...

Kapt Z · 02-06-09, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I've never even heard of this incident.

My opinion... He should have pushed as far south as he could before dawn and left the "debris" alone. At least this is what I would have done.

He could have avoided detection if he acted conservatively over the next 48-72 hours.

No matter the intent... Straffing debris is pretty pointless, and could kill survivors ... Not worth it.

His best course of action would have been to let the ship just sail by unmolested.

I agree.

Sailor Steve · 02-06-09, 12:06 PM

I'll go with BasilY's summation, as it reflects my own feelings on the subject. If he did it because he thought he was protecting himself by sinking debris, and not from willful murder, then he deserved prison time for being stupid if nothing else; but the death penalty was a bit extreme under the circumstances.

The account of the trial itself is fascinating, and I had not read it before, even though I am a regular visitor to www.uboat.net. Thanks for the reference.

Freiwillige · 02-06-09, 08:29 AM

It does not matter what the allies did. It is simply wrong what these men did. When these men commited there crime did they know of situations where the allies had done the same? I beleive that the commander had gotten close to what he deserved, the other two should have gotten much smaller jail time.

But.....A fair trial is also a must when condeming these men and not the debauchery of justice they had here or at Nuremburg.

02-03-09, 12:35 AM	#1
harzfeld Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 135 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Peleus Affair What's your opinion about this? http://www.uboat.net/articles/index.html?article=18 Read chapters 1-4. Do you think Heinz-Wilhem Eck & his two officers deserved a death sentence? http://uboat.net/men/commanders/232.html

02-03-09, 12:40 AM	#2
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Neil all or troll alien? I'm fairly certain this has been discussed to death already. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

02-03-09, 01:23 AM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I've never even heard of this incident. My opinion... He should have pushed as far south as he could before dawn and left the "debris" alone. At least this is what I would have done. He could have avoided detection if he acted conservatively over the next 48-72 hours. No matter the intent... Straffing debris is pretty pointless, and could kill survivors ... Not worth it. His best course of action would have been to let the ship just sail by unmolested. __________________

02-06-09, 12:06 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'll go with BasilY's summation, as it reflects my own feelings on the subject. If he did it because he thought he was protecting himself by sinking debris, and not from willful murder, then he deserved prison time for being stupid if nothing else; but the death penalty was a bit extreme under the circumstances. The account of the trial itself is fascinating, and I had not read it before, even though I am a regular visitor to www.uboat.net. Thanks for the reference. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-03-09, 01:12 AM	#3
harzfeld Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 135 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, I am not here everyday, only when I learned of new mods. I brought it up cuz I am traveling to my patrol area in GWX 3.0, so it takes time. I am bored while traveling with no enemy ships in sight yet, so I looked up at U-boat website after some interesting radio messages on some U-boats while I travel at 256TC, then came cross to this story which got me interested.

02-03-09, 03:19 AM	#5
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I would have to agree that this would be a war crime. First off he tarnished the U boatwaffe's reputation and set a precedent. Secondly several of his higher ranking officers were openly opposed to this idea. Yea he should have been found guilty. If he made it back to Germany the German naval staff should have put him on trial. It was not the Kreigsmarines finest moment

02-03-09, 06:05 PM	#6
Murr44 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 913 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Their death sentences were well & truly deserved in my opinion...

02-06-09, 08:29 AM	#9
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	It does not matter what the allies did. It is simply wrong what these men did. When these men commited there crime did they know of situations where the allies had done the same? I beleive that the commander had gotten close to what he deserved, the other two should have gotten much smaller jail time. But.....A fair trial is also a must when condeming these men and not the debauchery of justice they had here or at Nuremburg.