Go for the IX?

kdv · 01-27-09, 10:25 AM

For some reason I qualify to purchase the IX, after only a few patrols in the VII.

I am quite comfortable with the VII, and it's handling. From what I've read here, the IX is a 'pig', that doesn't dive, or turn fast.

Are there qualities that offset these drawbacks?

For now I'll cruise in the VII, to save the 9000 renown it'll cost, but I am curious to take it for a spin

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lionn77 · 01-27-09, 10:34 AM

The "IX" uboot is a bit slower while submerged and less manouverable but carries 22 torpedoes and a more powerful 105mm gun so you can have 100k ton patrols if you use your weaponry smart. Moreover the range and surface speed is also superior to the VIIs.In my view the advantages are more significant than shortages

mookiemookie · 01-27-09, 10:55 AM

22 torpedoes vs. 14. All the difference in the world.

Kapt Z · 01-27-09, 11:09 AM

It's really just personal preference. I'm sure you will find plenty of support for both boats in this forum.

I've been out in type II, VII and IXb boats. I'm partial to the VII myself for her quick diving, great handling, quick diving, smaller size vs Asdic, QUICK DIVING.....

Well, you get my point. For use in aircraft patrolled areas and against convoys I would take my VIIC over a IX any day. Most of my losses have been to aircraft so the speed of dive of the type VII is paramount to me.

The IX boat does have the endurance and torpedo loadout for successful long voyages to far off locales away from aircraft and heavily escorted convoys.

Faamecanic · 01-27-09, 11:58 AM

Dont forget it has TWO stern torpedo tubes vs. 1. You can sink a Large Merchant with two torps.... with one you can sink a small coastal vessel...

U-84 · 01-27-09, 12:46 PM

it's all about the captain (you) ..I'm a VIIC lover, but currently for the first time i am using a IXC. Huge differences. the pros of the IX are obviously long range, (currently outside of capetown in africa), alot more torps, and better deck gun. The IX in my opinion if you fought it it could be compared to like goldberg from the WWE. the VIIC is a survival boat, kind of like bear Grylls. It can dive in a hurry, turn pretty decently in certain situations, and has more deck gun ammo. Although I'am enjoying my IXC career so far, I really love my old VIIC.

danurve · 01-27-09, 01:09 PM

IMO; the IX class is a bit sluggish, and a sonar magnet. I might void the deck gun argument after a certain point in the games time not to mention a sub is a poor gun platform to begin with. Also jmpo but the agrivation an IX gives you is not worth the 6 or so extra fish.

If you feel the need to kill time and do IO or East coast time knock yourself out, but I'd rather do more patrols in a shorter length of time. Getting into the air gap is about as far as I care to go, maybe the Med.

Type 7 forever

Weiss Pinguin · 01-27-09, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdv

For some reason I qualify to purchase the IX, after only a few patrols in the VII.

I am quite comfortable with the VII, and it's handling. From what I've read here, the IX is a 'pig', that doesn't dive, or turn fast.

Are there qualities that offset these drawbacks?

For now I'll cruise in the VII, to save the 9000 renown it'll cost, but I am curious to take it for a spin

.

Weaponry and range are the Type IX's greatest assets. Greater storage capacity and an improved deck gun helps your chances of topping that Aces scoreboard, and the large fuel capacity means you can patrol the North Sea and North Atlantic for a much longer time, or you can stir up trouble off the American and African coastlines. Plus, there is plenty of room for a choir.

Personally I have more experience with the Type VII, but the IX has been a fun boat as well. Takes a while to adjust to the Type IX's speed and dive times, though, especially coming from a VII.

Lafferty · 01-27-09, 01:52 PM

personally it never matters to me as long as I have torpedoes i'm good.

Piggy · 01-27-09, 02:10 PM

Wouldnt the deeper diving of the IX somewhat negate the sonar magnet aspect?

Just how deep can you go in the IX?

Jimbuna · 01-27-09, 02:56 PM

Type IX for more eels and choice of patrol areas.

Keelbuster · 01-27-09, 03:08 PM

Type IX give me some satisfaction in that with it's payload you can basically wipe out a convoy. In the VII you have to pick and choose. With IX you can even take out the little targets

RoaldLarsen · 01-27-09, 03:57 PM

What's the best tool - a saw or a hammer?

The VII and IX were designed for different missions.

The IX excels on long-range patrols against little opposition. The VII is better for shorter patrols under aircraft infested skies.

The IX will allow you to get more kills per patrol, and the VII will allow you to get more patrols (unless you insist on assigning your IX to the Rockall Bank, contrary to historical practice.)

Earlier in the war, when enemy aircraft are not seen very often, the disadvantages of the IX are negligible. From 1943, I think the dive time advantage of the VII will go a long way to increasing your kills/career, by keeping you alive longer.

Finally, the VIIC/41 could dive deeper than any IX boat.

So pick your boat according to the type of patrols you want, and the stage of the war.

Fluffysheap · 01-27-09, 04:19 PM

I prefer the Type II. Not because it's better, as obviously it isn't, but because it's NOT better. With only five torpedoes on board (three tubes) you will not sink as many ships, but neither will you be on patrol as long, meaning faster qualifications (but slower promotions). The dive time is quite fast so in the event you are caught out usually you will be able to submerge in time. But during the early war period when this boat is used the aircraft are not very numerous or effective. With only two reload torpedoes, four officers and more bunk space than crew, you will never have fatigue problems. The small size helps you avoid active sonar.

I find the limitations of the Type II add to the flavor of the game. You cannot dive as deep, or travel as fast, or withstand as much damage; your single 20mm gun must do double duty as deck gun and AA. The boat is very noisy, even at 1 knot on silent running. There is no upgrade for the hydrophone or gun, and the battery upgrade is minimally useful. Every precious torpedo you fire must be carefully considered. Against the small vessels in the North Sea with only five torpedoes, half of them likely defective in some way, 10,000 tons is an excellent patrol.

Kapt Z · 01-27-09, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffysheap

I prefer the Type II. Not because it's better, as obviously it isn't, but because it's NOT better. With only five torpedoes on board (three tubes) you will not sink as many ships, but neither will you be on patrol as long, meaning faster qualifications (but slower promotions).

Funny enough when I tried a IID Bdu sent me to the west coast of Ireland again and again! That's a long way from the fatherland in a canoe!

01-27-09, 10:25 AM	#1
kdv Loader Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 85 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Go for the IX? For some reason I qualify to purchase the IX, after only a few patrols in the VII. I am quite comfortable with the VII, and it's handling. From what I've read here, the IX is a 'pig', that doesn't dive, or turn fast. Are there qualities that offset these drawbacks? For now I'll cruise in the VII, to save the 9000 renown it'll cost, but I am curious to take it for a spin .

01-27-09, 10:55 AM	#3
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	22 torpedoes vs. 14. All the difference in the world. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

01-27-09, 12:46 PM	#6
U-84 Medic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: under you in my VIIC Posts: 168 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	it's all about the captain (you) ..I'm a VIIC lover, but currently for the first time i am using a IXC. Huge differences. the pros of the IX are obviously long range, (currently outside of capetown in africa), alot more torps, and better deck gun. The IX in my opinion if you fought it it could be compared to like goldberg from the WWE. the VIIC is a survival boat, kind of like bear Grylls. It can dive in a hurry, turn pretty decently in certain situations, and has more deck gun ammo. Although I'am enjoying my IXC career so far, I really love my old VIIC. __________________ Never fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning- Field Marshall Erwin Rommel Courage is being scared to death, but saddeling up anyways- John Wayne

01-27-09, 01:09 PM	#7
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	IMO; the IX class is a bit sluggish, and a sonar magnet. I might void the deck gun argument after a certain point in the games time not to mention a sub is a poor gun platform to begin with. Also jmpo but the agrivation an IX gives you is not worth the 6 or so extra fish. If you feel the need to kill time and do IO or East coast time knock yourself out, but I'd rather do more patrols in a shorter length of time. Getting into the air gap is about as far as I care to go, maybe the Med. Type 7 forever __________________

01-27-09, 02:56 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Type IX for more eels and choice of patrol areas. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-27-09, 10:34 AM	#2
lionn77 Watch Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 23 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	The "IX" uboot is a bit slower while submerged and less manouverable but carries 22 torpedoes and a more powerful 105mm gun so you can have 100k ton patrols if you use your weaponry smart. Moreover the range and surface speed is also superior to the VIIs.In my view the advantages are more significant than shortages

01-27-09, 11:09 AM	#4
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	It's really just personal preference. I'm sure you will find plenty of support for both boats in this forum. I've been out in type II, VII and IXb boats. I'm partial to the VII myself for her quick diving, great handling, quick diving, smaller size vs Asdic, QUICK DIVING..... Well, you get my point. For use in aircraft patrolled areas and against convoys I would take my VIIC over a IX any day. Most of my losses have been to aircraft so the speed of dive of the type VII is paramount to me. The IX boat does have the endurance and torpedo loadout for successful long voyages to far off locales away from aircraft and heavily escorted convoys.

01-27-09, 11:58 AM	#5
Faamecanic Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Off your Stb side with good solution Posts: 1,065 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Dont forget it has TWO stern torpedo tubes vs. 1. You can sink a Large Merchant with two torps.... with one you can sink a small coastal vessel...

01-27-09, 01:52 PM	#9
Lafferty Officer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hot Springs Arkansas Posts: 245 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	personally it never matters to me as long as I have torpedoes i'm good.

01-27-09, 02:10 PM	#10
Piggy Ensign Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 234 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	Wouldnt the deeper diving of the IX somewhat negate the sonar magnet aspect? Just how deep can you go in the IX?

01-27-09, 03:08 PM	#12
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Type IX give me some satisfaction in that with it's payload you can basically wipe out a convoy. In the VII you have to pick and choose. With IX you can even take out the little targets __________________

01-27-09, 03:57 PM	#13
RoaldLarsen Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Control Room Posts: 355 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	What's the best tool - a saw or a hammer? The VII and IX were designed for different missions. The IX excels on long-range patrols against little opposition. The VII is better for shorter patrols under aircraft infested skies. The IX will allow you to get more kills per patrol, and the VII will allow you to get more patrols (unless you insist on assigning your IX to the Rockall Bank, contrary to historical practice.) Earlier in the war, when enemy aircraft are not seen very often, the disadvantages of the IX are negligible. From 1943, I think the dive time advantage of the VII will go a long way to increasing your kills/career, by keeping you alive longer. Finally, the VIIC/41 could dive deeper than any IX boat. So pick your boat according to the type of patrols you want, and the stage of the war.

01-27-09, 04:19 PM	#14
Fluffysheap Bosun Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 63 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I prefer the Type II. Not because it's better, as obviously it isn't, but because it's NOT better. With only five torpedoes on board (three tubes) you will not sink as many ships, but neither will you be on patrol as long, meaning faster qualifications (but slower promotions). The dive time is quite fast so in the event you are caught out usually you will be able to submerge in time. But during the early war period when this boat is used the aircraft are not very numerous or effective. With only two reload torpedoes, four officers and more bunk space than crew, you will never have fatigue problems. The small size helps you avoid active sonar. I find the limitations of the Type II add to the flavor of the game. You cannot dive as deep, or travel as fast, or withstand as much damage; your single 20mm gun must do double duty as deck gun and AA. The boat is very noisy, even at 1 knot on silent running. There is no upgrade for the hydrophone or gun, and the battery upgrade is minimally useful. Every precious torpedo you fire must be carefully considered. Against the small vessels in the North Sea with only five torpedoes, half of them likely defective in some way, 10,000 tons is an excellent patrol.