WoW (& other mmos)

NeonSamurai · 01-20-09, 10:21 AM

This is a split off from another thread, and I'm too tired write a better title...

I have to say I've never understood the draw to wow (and other mmos) other then comparing it to an addiction. The game is dull and repeditive beyond belief, and the incentives to play are addictive types (get that next level, or next item). I played it when it first came out but droped it after about 4 months. The grind in it was unreal and got worse with every expansion which keeps the addicts playing.

kiwi_2005 · 01-20-09, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Slightly OT but I have to say I've never understood the draw to wow (and other mmos) other then comparing it to an addiction. The game is dull and repeditive beyond belief, and the incentives to play are addictive types (get that next level, or next item). I played it when it first came out but droped it after about 4 months. The grind in it was unreal and got worse with every expansion which keeps the addicts playing.

I know how you feel about wow Neon your mention it many times

Funny that i dont find mmo's dull at all, I like the social part of it i can log in and spend hours just chatting with guild members then we might head off to raid a city or do some pvp etc., ive past the grinding part of it, soon as i turn 80 and got reasonable gear i stopped grinding. Now i just log in to chat, do a few pvp matches with guildies or we run around the gameworld being idiots. When its time to work i work, time to eat i eat, time to do the odds and ends around the house i do that to. When its time for gaming I load up Wow or any other game that interests me. I dont see it as an addiction as i dont take wow seriously like many do. Im sure some treat wow as if its there real life. What i mean when saying Fallout 3 has gotten me of wow is there was no other game that has caught my interest apart from the odd loading up SH4 now and then i needed something that gave me a reason to keep playing it. Fallout 3 has done that.

There are many that are bent on having the best gear doing the end raids, finishing all the achievments getting exalted with as many factions and the list goes on. If they play the game or any mmo this way then yes addiction will settle in before you know it. But if you play for the fun factor and log in a few hours a night or every other night then its not an addiction just a hobbie you like doing.

I should add, I belong to a great guild where we dont give a hoot that we suck badly, we suck at raiding we suck at pvp cause we dont care about the status label. We play for the laughs. We suck!

NeonSamurai · 01-20-09, 05:27 PM

Sorry i got a bit of an axe to grind on mmo's

Ya the socialization aspect is a positive (Though that can be addictive too). I just find them totally mind numbing, it also doesn't help that most friends I've made in those games tend to be power gamers.

I don't hate all mmo's I do like tactical/militaristic games. For example i loved Planetside in beta before SOE started wrecking it right after release, I liked WWIIOL at the start thought the bugs and then the devs endlessly bending to the constant allied whines (like the "glass gun char" whine) which killed it for me. Unfortunatly there arnt very many of those kind of games, and im utterly fed up with the fantasy mmo games, particularly based on the western world (i would like a good medieval fantasy japan mmo though).

Anyhow I may split this part off to a new thread continue the debate. So feel free to respond.

kiwi_2005 · 01-20-09, 10:03 PM

Your probably heard of Lineage 2 they say thats a great asian mmo, ive never tried it. I use to play MUonline free mmo before wow that was ok i stuck with it for 2yrs, there's also 'Perfect World' which has nearly 250million players & is based on Chinese Mythology. So much for wow advertising its 11million

As you probably know their are basically 100's of Asian based MMOS out there some are total crap but now and then your stumble along a gem. Some very good free mmos as well.

Top 100 mmos
http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/to...orpg-games.asp

NeonSamurai · 01-20-09, 11:47 PM

Lineage 2 is Chinese i believe, I mean Japanese mythology/feudal japan (ie samurai, shinobi etc). I played a couple of Chinese mythology ones before, most were free to play but had unimaginable grinds which you could offset by paying money, and yes most are sheer crap or not realy mmos.

Anyhow splitting this off

Dowly · 01-21-09, 02:10 PM

And Lineage 2 is the usual dark elves etc. stuff.

I used to play tons of MMO, freeware Conquest being prolly the one I played the most, then got bored to the endless grinding (IIRC, the game was capped to lvl130 with additional 130lvls if you wanted to reborn once you capped).

Then had a break for few years and now playing Warhammer Online, which, IMO, is GREAT! Mostly because it eliminates the need to grind. Of course, you can do it if you want to, but it isnt good for leveling because in WAR, there's 2 ranks. One is the normal rank you gain by experience and the other one is called Renown Rank, which you can only gain by getting renown experience in PvP battles. The Renown Rank pretty much tells you how good gear you can use, some gear have both ranks as requirements, some only have a RR requirement.

Also, there is a 3rd bar you can fill up, the influence bar. On every chapter there is 2 bars of this kind, the public quest influence bar that is filled by doing public quest. And then there is tier influence bar, which is filled by doing PvP.

The tier influence bar and the Renown Rank are two things that makes grinding useless, as you can rank sure by grinding, but you cant get the gear from the RR and the rewards from tier influence (the rewards being very good gear).

This is why I think WAR is better than the rest I've played. Cant wait to see how it is year from now.

If you want to know more about WAR, check these interviews of the Paul Barnett himself:

Pt.1 (check the rest from the play menu thingy)

And here's Paul Barnett telling about the quests of WAR:
Pt.1

Pt.2

01-20-09, 10:21 AM	#1
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	This is a split off from another thread, and I'm too tired write a better title... I have to say I've never understood the draw to wow (and other mmos) other then comparing it to an addiction. The game is dull and repeditive beyond belief, and the incentives to play are addictive types (get that next level, or next item). I played it when it first came out but droped it after about 4 months. The grind in it was unreal and got worse with every expansion which keeps the addicts playing. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff Last edited by NeonSamurai; 01-20-09 at 11:50 PM.

01-20-09, 05:27 PM	#3
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Sorry i got a bit of an axe to grind on mmo's Ya the socialization aspect is a positive (Though that can be addictive too). I just find them totally mind numbing, it also doesn't help that most friends I've made in those games tend to be power gamers. I don't hate all mmo's I do like tactical/militaristic games. For example i loved Planetside in beta before SOE started wrecking it right after release, I liked WWIIOL at the start thought the bugs and then the devs endlessly bending to the constant allied whines (like the "glass gun char" whine) which killed it for me. Unfortunatly there arnt very many of those kind of games, and im utterly fed up with the fantasy mmo games, particularly based on the western world (i would like a good medieval fantasy japan mmo though). Anyhow I may split this part off to a new thread continue the debate. So feel free to respond. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

01-20-09, 10:03 PM	#4
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Your probably heard of Lineage 2 they say thats a great asian mmo, ive never tried it. I use to play MUonline free mmo before wow that was ok i stuck with it for 2yrs, there's also 'Perfect World' which has nearly 250million players & is based on Chinese Mythology. So much for wow advertising its 11million As you probably know their are basically 100's of Asian based MMOS out there some are total crap but now and then your stumble along a gem. Some very good free mmos as well. Top 100 mmos http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/to...orpg-games.asp __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

01-20-09, 11:47 PM	#5
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Lineage 2 is Chinese i believe, I mean Japanese mythology/feudal japan (ie samurai, shinobi etc). I played a couple of Chinese mythology ones before, most were free to play but had unimaginable grinds which you could offset by paying money, and yes most are sheer crap or not realy mmos. Anyhow splitting this off __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

01-21-09, 02:10 PM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	And Lineage 2 is the usual dark elves etc. stuff. I used to play tons of MMO, freeware Conquest being prolly the one I played the most, then got bored to the endless grinding (IIRC, the game was capped to lvl130 with additional 130lvls if you wanted to reborn once you capped). Then had a break for few years and now playing Warhammer Online, which, IMO, is GREAT! Mostly because it eliminates the need to grind. Of course, you can do it if you want to, but it isnt good for leveling because in WAR, there's 2 ranks. One is the normal rank you gain by experience and the other one is called Renown Rank, which you can only gain by getting renown experience in PvP battles. The Renown Rank pretty much tells you how good gear you can use, some gear have both ranks as requirements, some only have a RR requirement. Also, there is a 3rd bar you can fill up, the influence bar. On every chapter there is 2 bars of this kind, the public quest influence bar that is filled by doing public quest. And then there is tier influence bar, which is filled by doing PvP. The tier influence bar and the Renown Rank are two things that makes grinding useless, as you can rank sure by grinding, but you cant get the gear from the RR and the rewards from tier influence (the rewards being very good gear). This is why I think WAR is better than the rest I've played. Cant wait to see how it is year from now. If you want to know more about WAR, check these interviews of the Paul Barnett himself: Pt.1 (check the rest from the play menu thingy) And here's Paul Barnett telling about the quests of WAR: Pt.1 Pt.2 Last edited by Dowly; 01-21-09 at 02:21 PM.