Yes,another CTD!

nikbear · 11-20-08, 05:53 PM

Getting quite hacked off with these things now

game working fine,merrily doing patrols and altering nothing,if it ain't broke don't fix it

But now,on this last patrol,everything started out fine but then all of a sudden things get laggy,FPS drops for no reason with nothing around me but open sea,the cursor become's unresposive as does the TC buttons and then the dreaded CTD,with the MS message saying.

App name sh3.exe App ver 1.4.0.1 modname:ntdLL.dLL
Modver.5.1.2600.5512 Offset:000104da

Now that make utter nonsence to me but better minds on this board may be able to help me out,any ideas or help greatly appreciated.thank you

FIREWALL · 11-20-08, 06:30 PM

I've seen this type of posts so many time and nobody reads and responds so I just shrug my shoulders and move on.

I'm going to try once more.

Everybodys advice is DRIVERS,DRIVERS,DRIVERS.

FECK DRIVERS. !!!! You have a memory stick problem.

This is your warning CTD call. Do a memory stick test.

Two GWX members helped me figure this hair pulling problem out.

nikbear · 11-20-08, 07:06 PM

Thank you for your quick reply,I was wondering if it might be something like this(and dreading it

)how do I do a memory stick test?and thank you once again

FIREWALL · 11-20-08, 07:16 PM

I have it here some where. Give me a minute and will be right back.

Got it. http://hcidesign.com/memtest/

Another: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolso...memorytest.htm

Good Luck

nikbear · 11-20-08, 07:25 PM

Thank you

nikbear · 11-21-08, 03:13 PM

Now I don't know if I should be happy or sad,ran a memory test as suggested......and its fine

Which can only mean its something else

Now what,any idea's?:hmm:

FIREWALL · 11-21-08, 03:19 PM

I guess drivers ?

:p :rotfl:

How many gigs of ram and how many sticks ?

Stick with me nikbear , We'll fix this yet.

She-Wolf · 11-21-08, 04:31 PM

nikbear, here is a link which gives some possible causes for ntdll.dll problems

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixthe...a/ntdlldll.htm

there may be something there that gives you a clue...

also look in the Event viewer log to see if that can narrow it down [Start-Run type in Eventvwr.msc] click on Applications in l-hand window and see what error messages in right. Double click on red cross to see what module has been faulting.

nikbear · 11-22-08, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

I guess drivers ?

:p :rotfl:

How many gigs of ram and how many sticks ?

Stick with me nikbear , We'll fix this yet.

Drivers all up to date

2 gigs of ram,2 sticks

thanks for the help,it means alot

nikbear · 11-22-08, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by She-Wolf

nikbear, here is a link which gives some possible causes for ntdll.dll problems

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixthe...a/ntdlldll.htm

there may be something there that gives you a clue...

also look in the Event viewer log to see if that can narrow it down [Start-Run type in Eventvwr.msc] click on Applications in l-hand window and see what error messages in right. Double click on red cross to see what module has been faulting.

Oh blimey Miss Wolf,thanks for the help

lots of little red crosses&error report things

haven't a clue what they mean though,takes me to an MS website which doesn't tell me alot,or which I understand

......That link you posted was brilliant though.thank you so very much.

She-Wolf · 11-22-08, 07:20 AM

OK nik, pleased to help, but when you have time, go back to event viewer and work down the list of red crosses dated when you last had a ctd in SH3, and look to see what the message says in the description box - dont bother with going to the Microsoft link.

The fact that you have got errors in the application log suggests it is third -party ( i.e. SH3) rather then a system problem - unless you also have red crosses in the System event log as well......

If the errant module can be identified, then maybe folks here can apply their wisdom and experience into finding a solution. That is where the description box info comes in.

When I had this problem in the past, it came down to old savs and old profile which I had tried to continue from before modifying the game with GWX. Natch, one doesn't want to lose all that renown. As I recall, I had to bite the bullet and start absolutely from scratch...

There also may be work-arounds. I had a situation where I got a CTD because I was in shallow water and one of the boats hunting me had blown its back-end off with its own depth-charge. Each time I tried to approach it to have a nosey, I got a CTD... that was easy enough to solve, but maybe your situation is of that sort - the boys will know, don't lose heart, just give as much detail as you can so they can get an idea of what is causing the problem.

nikbear · 11-22-08, 08:22 AM

Right,Ive defragged,reg cured,windows defendered,virus scanned,memory scanned andall my drivers are up to date, everything reports back as being fine

I'm going to run the patrol again and hope it was a one off puter brain fart

......if this kind of optimism doesn't kill me,then alchohol will:rotfl:thanks again for everyones help,it really does mean alot when your stuck

She-Wolf · 11-22-08, 08:46 AM

nik, keep an eye on event viewer logs, both system and application - they will be a good indication of system state and where to look for problems.

nikbear · 11-22-08, 11:32 AM

Well guess what,started the patrol again and........not a single problem

apart from me blowing a great convoy chance of HUGE tonnage,Fleet-tender,motorvessel,2 large merchants,3 medium merchants and to cap it all...HMS Rodney. All that in perfect conditions,choppy sea's,pitch dark,late 1940's and all I sailed away with was 22296grt

...Well atleast its working so musn't grumble,you've all been great help,thank you

kiwikapitan · 12-12-08, 05:26 AM

OK since installing GWX 2.1 I've been having a frustrating time playing single missions.

I've tried various ones but is it normal to take 7 bloody minutes to load a single mission?

Just about every time the loading bar gets stuck and then the inevitable CTD. From viewing my memory usage using Tuneup Memory Optimizer it seems I'm simply running out of memory. Just before it crashes my physical memory usage is almost 0.

I've got 2 gigs of Corsair RAM but do I need another 2 gigs to play the game? Page file is 3072MB. What are the rest of you using?

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800
2 Gigs Corsair RAM
XFX GeForce 7900GT 256MB
Windows XP Media Centre Edition

EDIT: Errors are kernel.dll and ntdll.dll

This is one >> Faulting application sh3.exe, version 1.4.0.1, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.5512, fault address 0x000104da.

11-20-08, 05:53 PM	#1
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Yes,another CTD! Getting quite hacked off with these things nowgame working fine,merrily doing patrols and altering nothing,if it ain't broke don't fix itBut now,on this last patrol,everything started out fine but then all of a sudden things get laggy,FPS drops for no reason with nothing around me but open sea,the cursor become's unresposive as does the TC buttons and then the dreaded CTD,with the MS message saying. App name sh3.exe App ver 1.4.0.1 modname:ntdLL.dLL Modver.5.1.2600.5512 Offset:000104da Now that make utter nonsence to me but better minds on this board may be able to help me out,any ideas or help greatly appreciated.thank you __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

11-20-08, 06:30 PM	#2
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I've seen this type of posts so many time and nobody reads and responds so I just shrug my shoulders and move on. I'm going to try once more. Everybodys advice is DRIVERS,DRIVERS,DRIVERS. FECK DRIVERS. !!!! You have a memory stick problem. This is your warning CTD call. Do a memory stick test. Two GWX members helped me figure this hair pulling problem out. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

11-20-08, 07:06 PM	#3
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Thank you for your quick reply,I was wondering if it might be something like this(and dreading it)how do I do a memory stick test?and thank you once again __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

11-20-08, 07:16 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I have it here some where. Give me a minute and will be right back. Got it. http://hcidesign.com/memtest/ Another: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolso...memorytest.htm Good Luck __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ??? Last edited by FIREWALL; 11-20-08 at 07:22 PM.

11-20-08, 07:25 PM	#5
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Thank you __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

11-21-08, 03:13 PM	#6
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Now I don't know if I should be happy or sad,ran a memory test as suggested......and its fineWhich can only mean its something elseNow what,any idea's?:hmm: __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

11-21-08, 03:19 PM	#7
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I guess drivers ? :p :rotfl: How many gigs of ram and how many sticks ? Stick with me nikbear , We'll fix this yet. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ??? Last edited by FIREWALL; 11-21-08 at 03:22 PM.

11-21-08, 04:31 PM	#8
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	nikbear, here is a link which gives some possible causes for ntdll.dll problems http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixthe...a/ntdlldll.htm there may be something there that gives you a clue... also look in the Event viewer log to see if that can narrow it down [Start-Run type in Eventvwr.msc] click on Applications in l-hand window and see what error messages in right. Double click on red cross to see what module has been faulting. __________________

11-22-08, 07:20 AM	#11
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	OK nik, pleased to help, but when you have time, go back to event viewer and work down the list of red crosses dated when you last had a ctd in SH3, and look to see what the message says in the description box - dont bother with going to the Microsoft link. The fact that you have got errors in the application log suggests it is third -party ( i.e. SH3) rather then a system problem - unless you also have red crosses in the System event log as well...... If the errant module can be identified, then maybe folks here can apply their wisdom and experience into finding a solution. That is where the description box info comes in. When I had this problem in the past, it came down to old savs and old profile which I had tried to continue from before modifying the game with GWX. Natch, one doesn't want to lose all that renown. As I recall, I had to bite the bullet and start absolutely from scratch... There also may be work-arounds. I had a situation where I got a CTD because I was in shallow water and one of the boats hunting me had blown its back-end off with its own depth-charge. Each time I tried to approach it to have a nosey, I got a CTD... that was easy enough to solve, but maybe your situation is of that sort - the boys will know, don't lose heart, just give as much detail as you can so they can get an idea of what is causing the problem. __________________

11-22-08, 08:22 AM	#12
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Right,Ive defragged,reg cured,windows defendered,virus scanned,memory scanned andall my drivers are up to date, everything reports back as being fineI'm going to run the patrol again and hope it was a one off puter brain fart......if this kind of optimism doesn't kill me,then alchohol will:rotfl:thanks again for everyones help,it really does mean alot when your stuck __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

11-22-08, 08:46 AM	#13
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	nik, keep an eye on event viewer logs, both system and application - they will be a good indication of system state and where to look for problems. __________________

11-22-08, 11:32 AM	#14
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Well guess what,started the patrol again and........not a single problemapart from me blowing a great convoy chance of HUGE tonnage,Fleet-tender,motorvessel,2 large merchants,3 medium merchants and to cap it all...HMS Rodney. All that in perfect conditions,choppy sea's,pitch dark,late 1940's and all I sailed away with was 22296grt...Well atleast its working so musn't grumble,you've all been great help,thank you __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

12-12-08, 05:26 AM	#15
kiwikapitan Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 108 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	running outta memory!! OK since installing GWX 2.1 I've been having a frustrating time playing single missions. I've tried various ones but is it normal to take 7 bloody minutes to load a single mission? Just about every time the loading bar gets stuck and then the inevitable CTD. From viewing my memory usage using Tuneup Memory Optimizer it seems I'm simply running out of memory. Just before it crashes my physical memory usage is almost 0. I've got 2 gigs of Corsair RAM but do I need another 2 gigs to play the game? Page file is 3072MB. What are the rest of you using? AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800 2 Gigs Corsair RAM XFX GeForce 7900GT 256MB Windows XP Media Centre Edition EDIT: Errors are kernel.dll and ntdll.dll This is one >> Faulting application sh3.exe, version 1.4.0.1, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.5512, fault address 0x000104da. __________________ Proud GWX user! but currently on WAC holiday.... Last edited by kiwikapitan; 12-12-08 at 05:30 AM.