NASA and NOAA fudging the Global Warming numbers once again...

[SUBMAN1]

This is getting old. Someone fire that quack James Hansen already. Guaranteed he found it, but guaranteed he let it slip by purposely.

We are still continuing our cooling trend that has been happening since 1998. The numbers from NOAA and NASA now reflect that once again.

-S



GISS's October Data. The large reddish-brown area in Russia is actually September readings.

Deja Vu All Over Again: Blogger Again Finds Error in NASA Climate Data

Amateur team finds NASA error similar to one they discovered a year ago.

NASA'S Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) is one of the world's primary sources for climate data. GISS issues regular updates on world temperatures based on their analysis of temperature readings from thousands of monitoring stations over the globe.


GISS’ most recent data release originally reported last October as being extraordinarily warm-- a full 0.78C above normal. This would have made it the warmest October on record; a huge increase over the previous month's data.


Those results set off alarm bells with Steve McIntyre and his gang of Baker Street irregulars at Climateaudit.org. They noted that NASA's data didn't agree at all with the satellite temperature record, which showed October to be very mild, continuing the same trend of slight cooling that has persisted since 1998. So they dug a little deeper.


McIntyre, the same man who found errors last year in GISS's US temperature record, quickly noted that most of the temperature increase was coming from Russia. A chart of world temperatures showed that in October, most of Russia, the largest nation on Earth, was not only registering hot, but literally off the scale. Yet anecdotal reports were suggesting that worldwide, October was actually slightly colder than normal. Could there be another error in GISS's data?


An alert reader on McIntyre's blog revealed that there was a very large problem. Looking at the actual readings from individual stations in Russia showed a curious anomaly. The locations had all been assigned the exact temperatures from a month earlier-- the much warmer month of September. Russia cools very rapidly in the fall months, so recycling the data from the earlier month had led to a massive temperature increase.


A few locations in Ireland were also found to be using September data.
Steve McIntyre informed GISS of the error by email. According to McIntyre, there was no response, but within "about an hour", GISS pulled down the erroneous data, citing a "mishap" and pointing the finger of blame upstream to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adminstration (NOAA).

NOAA's Deputy Director of Communications, Scott Smullens, tells DailyTech that NOAA is responsible only for temperature readings in the US, not those in other nations.

The error not only affected October data, but due to the complex algorithm GISS uses to convert actual temperature readings into their output results, altered the previously published values for several other months as well.



The values for August 2008, for instance, changed by 0.11C and the global anomaly as far back as 2005 increased by a hundredth of a degree.



GISS is run by Dr. James Hansen, a strident global warming advocate who has accused oil companies of "crimes against humanity". Hansen recently made headlines when he travelled to London to testify on behalf of a group of environmentalists who had damaged a coal plant in protest against global warming. Hansen also serves as science advisor to Al Gore.
Dr. Hansen could not be reached for comment.

http://www.dailytech.com/Deja+Vu+All...ticle13410.htm

[Dowly]

Subman1 posts a new thread about global warming, again. *yawn*

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Subman1 posts a new thread about global warming, again. *yawn*

So it's an issue that's important to him. Why so little tolerance?

[nikimcbee]

I interperated the map as saying russia is still communist.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I interperated the map as saying russia is still communist.

watch out - they've spread to the antarctic, too!

[bookworm_020]

What! two government agentcies lying about something to get more money?

What's new about that!

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

So it's an issue that's important to him. Why so little tolerance?

Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: rep·e·ti·tion Pronunciation: \ˌre-pə-ˈti-shən\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English repeticion, from Middle French, from Latin repetition-, repetitio, from repetere to repeat Date: 15th century 1 a: the act or an instance of repeating or being repeated

New material, if you please.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by August

So it's an issue that's important to him. Why so little tolerance?

Because after so many anti-obama topics that have been merged. Anti-GW posts debunked and the usual stuff. We are tired of him.

If it be an issue or Al gore. Or that the scary liberals want to take away his V8 it is not one that is based in reality.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

watch out - they've spread to the antarctic, too!

Yes, due to warm winters they multiply more intense than in recent years.

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by August

So it's an issue that's important to him. Why so little tolerance?

Because it's nothing to do with being important to him. It's because he finds something that fits his opinion posts it in big bold letters, pronounces it as fact and anyone who disagrees with he practically insults them and denounces anything to the contrary has conspiracy and untrue....

It gets boring after a while.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

So it's an issue that's important to him. Why so little tolerance?

These are like his joke threads, why make a new thread for everything is beyond me. Dont we have tons of global warming threads already? And I can bet with little effort, I could even find a joke thread.

Oh yeh, and what the rest said. :p

[CaptainHaplo]

Sure does seem like a double standard - as folks are constantly posting about how GW is "proven" and then not wanting to discuss it either... shall I point to some of Skybirds posts for example? *And I am not talking his 2 recent joke ones

It also seems that if its something the tree huggers like then by all means, post it - use whatever it is to create a soap box about how we evil Americans need to change, or how we are all at fault for the evil in the world, or how if we would just embrace this or that liberal idea then we could all say koombyeya.....

But let someone disagree - and instead of looking at it with a discerning eye, you lefties do the same thing you accuse us of - ignore it.

Thats WHY there is such a division in this wonderful country called America. People don't discuss, they try to ramrod their views. Its like intelligent discussion is a bad thing. Oh that's right - the liberal media and socialists on the left don't want thought and discourse - it would mean the end of their power and influence.

[XabbaRus]

You are missing the point. If you present subman with evidence of global warming or disagree with his statements and again give evidence he denounces you as wrong or head in the sand, or it is science by committee and therefore not valid.

That is quite funny when quite often his evidence is links to blogs by people no more qualified by you and me.

Oh and one more thing, I'm sorry but noone here is blaming it all on the US or that the US is at fault for everything. If it also helps you to sleep at night that we in europe are just a bunch of communists who want to stifle free trade and thought then fine.

One more thing, I get fed up with hearing about green this and that ALL the time, I do think it has become a money spinner in itself for some people. However I do also believe that the world is getting warmer accelerated by human processes and that in order to slow warming back to natural levels then we need to take action. If that means driving our cars less, with smaller engines and not so fast, and making industry cut emissions then so be it. We should also lean on India and China to do the same.

But to sit here and say its all rubbish and I'm not going to change my ways is utterly selfish. I have 2 kids and I want them to grow up into a nice clean planet....

[TDK1044]

Global warming is simply a clever strategy to try and guilt the rich countries of the world into paying more money to the third world countries.

That said, I sincerely hope That President Obama implements multiple alternative energy stategies over the next four years. We need to invest in clean fuel technologies, and create millions of jobs as we do so.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: rep·e·ti·tion Pronunciation: \ˌre-pə-ˈti-shən\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English repeticion, from Middle French, from Latin repetition-, repetitio, from repetere to repeat Date: 15th century 1 a: the act or an instance of repeating or being repeated

New material, if you please.

Remind me to use that the next time you and Skybird start spouting off about religion...