Twenty killed on Russian submarine (merged)

CCIP · 11-08-08, 05:15 PM

Looks like a real tragedy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7718156.stm

Alright, what actually happened here? Anyone have any more information?

CCIP · 11-08-08, 05:42 PM

Alright, details beginning to emerge, the cause is still unclear beyond a fire extinguishing system failure.

The boat was on sea trials and had 208 people on board, most of whom were civilian (with only 81 being military personnel).

The boat has not officially been named, but is most likely the Akula-class Nerpa, which would be a match since she'd be likely to be on sea trials now - the boat had been recently working up as part of her sale to the Indian navy, to which she was due to be transferred in 2009.

Oberon · 11-08-08, 05:42 PM

(EDIT'd Since CCIP analysis of the boats ID is highly likely correct.)

A bloody tragedy, RIP to those poor guys and prayers for their families

Ramius · 11-08-08, 06:04 PM

Sorry, just re-read the article.

Obviously must be fitted with some kind of "drench" system, possibly Halon or Nitrogen.
Not the way to go

RIP

PeriscopeDepth · 11-08-08, 06:26 PM

May the sailors RIP.

Over 200 people on an Akula? Sounds crowded. I imagine it was a rather chaotic scene.

PD

Thomen · 11-08-08, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Alright, details beginning to emerge, the cause is still unclear beyond a fire extinguishing system failure.

The boat was on sea trials and had 208 people on board, most of whom were civilian (with only 81 being military personnel).

The boat has not officially been named, but is most likely the Akula-class Nerpa, which would be a match since she'd be likely to be on sea trials now - the boat had been recently working up as part of her sale to the Indian navy, to which she was due to be transferred in 2009.

I knew I had read about the Nerpa before..
It was mentioned in an article on the SubSim main page couple of days ago..

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/in...id=31&Itemid=1

CCIP · 11-08-08, 06:43 PM

Looking further at Russian sources here - the system involved was based on Khladon-114B2, which is a Freon-based refrigeration compound that is indeed used as part of the drenching system on the sub in all compartments except the reactor.

Still no official name for the sub, but the Udaloy DDG Admiral Tributz is known to have been accompanying the sub on trials and took on the casualties; it is due to arrive back ashore to transfer the casualties shortly.

Currently the report says "more than 20" killed, and another 21 non-lethal casualties of various degrees of severity, all currently aboard Admiral Tributz.

[edit] - interesting tidbit about Admiral Tributs - that ship suffered an accidental on-board fire in which she was heavily damaged in 1991. According to Wiki, her sister ship Marshal Shaposhnikov, which is also in the Pacific Fleet, was also severely damaged by a fire just this september.

Great safety record they've got in that fleet

[edit 2] - although before I blame the fleet, it should be noted that Nerpa was/is not yet commissioned. Officials are already blaming the shipbuilder, who is responsible for the boat until it is commissioned.

Marcantilan · 11-08-08, 07:50 PM

A real tragedy. RIP.

Task Force · 11-08-08, 08:08 PM

Sad that stuff like this happens. RIP to them, and best of luck to there familys.

SteamWake · 11-08-08, 08:11 PM

My god... what a tragity. I pray for them.

I watched the file "The Widow Maker" the other night, makes one wonder as to the Russians attitude of safety vs mission.

MothBalls · 11-08-08, 08:37 PM

Tragic and really sorry to hear about this.

Something that bothered me in the article;

Quote:

Military prosecutors are investigating the incident.

This makes it sound like they are searching for blame and not the cause.

RIP

CCIP · 11-08-08, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MothBalls

This makes it sound like they are searching for blame and not the cause.

Yes, unfortunately this is how things often work in Russia. As I mentioned, the government is already starting to clean its' hands of this by blaming the shipbuilder, suggesting that the civilian workers aboard were a factor and the ship, not being commissioned, is the factory's responsibility and not the navy's.

To quote my favorite song about the Kursk tragedy,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri Shevchuk (DDT)

Later of what happened here,
For so long they'll lie...
Will the commission ever tell
How hard it is to die?

Actually, would be quite appropriate to link that song/video now as a memorial:

Yorktown_Class · 11-08-08, 11:22 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...4A738V20081108

McBeck · 11-09-08, 05:35 AM

What a tragedy!

XabbaRus · 11-09-08, 05:52 AM

It's the same everywhere though especially so in Russia.

I remember when that Upholder going to Canada had an incident and a crewman died, the blame game started pretty quickly.

I wonder if someone pressed the wrong button. Human error quite often is the most likely cause.

11-08-08, 05:15 PM	#1
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Twenty killed on Russian submarine (merged) Looks like a real tragedy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7718156.stm Alright, what actually happened here? Anyone have any more information? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-08-08, 05:42 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Alright, details beginning to emerge, the cause is still unclear beyond a fire extinguishing system failure. The boat was on sea trials and had 208 people on board, most of whom were civilian (with only 81 being military personnel). The boat has not officially been named, but is most likely the Akula-class Nerpa, which would be a match since she'd be likely to be on sea trials now - the boat had been recently working up as part of her sale to the Indian navy, to which she was due to be transferred in 2009. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 11-08-08 at 05:44 PM.

11-08-08, 05:42 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	(EDIT'd Since CCIP analysis of the boats ID is highly likely correct.) A bloody tragedy, RIP to those poor guys and prayers for their families Last edited by Oberon; 11-08-08 at 05:44 PM.

11-08-08, 06:04 PM	#4
Ramius Commander Join Date: May 2001 Location: At sea (again) Posts: 457 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Sorry, just re-read the article. Obviously must be fitted with some kind of "drench" system, possibly Halon or Nitrogen. Not the way to go RIP __________________ There is a forgotten, nay even forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England Last edited by Ramius; 11-08-08 at 06:10 PM.

11-08-08, 06:43 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Looking further at Russian sources here - the system involved was based on Khladon-114B2, which is a Freon-based refrigeration compound that is indeed used as part of the drenching system on the sub in all compartments except the reactor. Still no official name for the sub, but the Udaloy DDG Admiral Tributz is known to have been accompanying the sub on trials and took on the casualties; it is due to arrive back ashore to transfer the casualties shortly. Currently the report says "more than 20" killed, and another 21 non-lethal casualties of various degrees of severity, all currently aboard Admiral Tributz. [edit] - interesting tidbit about Admiral Tributs - that ship suffered an accidental on-board fire in which she was heavily damaged in 1991. According to Wiki, her sister ship Marshal Shaposhnikov, which is also in the Pacific Fleet, was also severely damaged by a fire just this september. Great safety record they've got in that fleet [edit 2] - although before I blame the fleet, it should be noted that Nerpa was/is not yet commissioned. Officials are already blaming the shipbuilder, who is responsible for the boat until it is commissioned. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 11-08-08 at 07:20 PM.

11-08-08, 06:26 PM	#5
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	May the sailors RIP. Over 200 people on an Akula? Sounds crowded. I imagine it was a rather chaotic scene. PD

11-08-08, 07:50 PM	#8
Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	A real tragedy. RIP. __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

11-08-08, 08:08 PM	#9
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Sad that stuff like this happens. RIP to them, and best of luck to there familys. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

11-08-08, 08:11 PM	#10
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	My god... what a tragity. I pray for them. I watched the file "The Widow Maker" the other night, makes one wonder as to the Russians attitude of safety vs mission.

11-08-08, 11:22 PM	#13
Yorktown_Class Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 263 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 0	Russian sub mishap...At least 20 dead http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...4A738V20081108 __________________ David

11-09-08, 05:35 AM	#14
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	What a tragedy! __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

11-09-08, 05:52 AM	#15
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It's the same everywhere though especially so in Russia. I remember when that Upholder going to Canada had an incident and a crewman died, the blame game started pretty quickly. I wonder if someone pressed the wrong button. Human error quite often is the most likely cause. __________________