Sea Ice Growing at Fastest Pace on Record

[SUBMAN1]

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13385

What we didn't already know unless you drink the Al Gore Koolaid.

-S

[MothBalls]

I guess you missed the part where he said "hot areas will get hotter and cold areas will get colder". You just proved his point.

Maybe you should at least taste the punch before declaring it to be poison. Did you even watch the movie?

,edit.

Did you read the article you linked to?

Bill Chapman, a researcher with the Arctic Climate Center at the University of Illinois, says the rapid increase is "no big deal". He says that, while the Arctic has certainly been colder in recent months, the long-term decrease is still ongoing. Chapman, who predicts that sea ice will soon stop growing, sees nothing in the recent data to contradict predictions of global warming.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

I guess you missed the part where he said "hot areas will get hotter and cold areas will get colder". You just proved his point.

Maybe you should at least taste the punch before declaring it to be poison. Did you even watch the movie?

Hardly. Did you notice he only fed you 300 years of data - approximately the lowest point of our mini ice age until now? Or did he fail to mention the glacier melt that has been steady and started before the use of hydrocarbons? NO! He conveniently left that part out.

So hows your Kool Aid? You swallowed a ton of it.

-S

[Skybird]

Yawn.

Once again, second run:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v...df/ngeo338.pdf

[mrbeast]

Don't sweat it Mothballs, he never fully reads the articles he posts.

I seem to remember a similar thread where the author of the article Subman posted acually admitted in a postscript that the evidence that he had used to support about 90% of his argument was in fact wrong; didn't stop ol' Subman from running with it though, despite me drawing his attention to it several times.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

Don't sweat it Mothballs, he never fully reads the articles he posts.

I seem to remember a similar thread where the author of the article Subman posted acually admitted in a postscript that the evidence that he had used to support about 90% of his argument was in fact wrong; didn't stop ol' Subman from running with it though, despite me drawing his attention to it several times.

selective reading:rotfl: :rotfl:

[MothBalls]

Doesn't bother me.

Selective reading? The person who read it to him didn't finish it.

Some people are so blinded by their own bigotry towards anything they don't believe they can't see the truth or open their minds to any other possibilities. It's fun to occasionally poke them with a stick just to watch them get all excited.

[Hanomag]

Who cares?

Once were underwater it wont matter much anyhow.

So live it up while you can, spend your savings!

Thats what Im doing!

[Letum]

There is a important difference between weather and climate.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Doesn't bother me.

Selective reading? The person who read it to him didn't finish it.

Some people are so blinded by their own bigotry towards anything they don't believe they can't see the truth or open their minds to any other possibilities. It's fun to occasionally poke them with a stick just to watch them get all excited.

Explain to me where I have selective reading. Since you can't, I'd say the above is an attack on me based on selective reading since they didn't bother to read the article! :p

-S

PS. I forgot to mention the record cold even in non arctic areas last year, and expected to be worse this year. But everyone in this thread seems to be on the Al Gore Kool Aid.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Hanomag

Who cares?

Once were underwater it wont matter much anyhow.

So live it up while you can, spend your savings!

Thats what Im doing!

Not to poke at you, but if you know anything about science (And the media gets this wrong all the time by the way), Sea Ice is 'floating' ice. If all the floating ice in the world melted, it has no effect on sea level.

-S

PS. I guess if it had no affect on Sea Level, then it wouldn't be so dramatic now would it?

[Hanomag]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Not to poke at you, but if you know anything about science (And the media gets this wrong all the time by the way), Sea Ice is 'floating' ice. If all the floating ice in the world melted, it has no effect on sea level.

-S

PS. I guess if it had no effect on Sea Level, then it wouldn't be so dramatic now would it?

Like I said whether its Sea Ice, Glaciers, Obama, whatever, ....

I DON'T REALLY, HONESTLY, TRULY, CARE!

I am not a self proclaimed know-it all like many posters. The reason why I don't know the difference between Sea Ice and Glaciers is, because I choose not to.

Ignorance is bliss.

Also don't worry about poking me I am quite durable. I have been spit on in real life and had to take it. So I am sure a little ribbing on a video game forum can be tolerated.

I am just posting so I can get my post count up anyway.

As per my post in this thread Where Is Everybody?( Big Drop )

[CaptainHaplo]

Actually - if all the sea ice - aka floating ice melted - it would be all the ice - because as it melts the stuff held underwater by the weight will rise - so ultimately it would all end up on the surface and it would melt.....

Except that global warming is a huge farce. 1 degree average change in the last 100 years - and remember they were using thermometers in places like siberia for some of their "numbers" - anyone wanna bet a russian made thermometer circa 1900~ would even be accurate to 1 degree???

No one looks to things like sunspots, cyclical airstream patterns, carbon absorbtion by the oceans, etc. Its just like they scream "theres a hole in the ozone layer!" - yea there is - every winter. Every summer its closed up - and its over the freaking pole, not over where people are. Besides - there are answers to global warming that are very easy - just the wacko's would rather control your lives by limiting what you can do, what you can eat, what you can use - than actually fix the problem that is their "claimed" concern.

So Subman - right there with ya bud!

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Hanomag

Ignorance is bliss.

i belive you just stole Subman1's motto

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

No one looks to things like sunspots, cyclical airstream patterns, carbon absorbtion by the oceans, etc.

Some people do, like me for instance.

My earlier point was only that some people will form an opinion and never look back. It's fun to poke them with a stick so you can watch them jump up and down as they try to shove their conclusion down everyone's throat. A closed mind gathers no intelligence.

About global warming in general, I'm not convinced either way. I still look at all of the arguments, facts, data, etc. and learn more every day. It may be cyclic, it may be caused my man. I can't say for sure.

Some of the evidence that man is having an effect on the environment is convincing, and some of the evidence that's it just part of the natural process is just as convincing.

One thing is for sure. There are some things we can do nothing about. There are some thing we can change. Out of the things that we can change, we should. Not to the extreme but maybe start heading in that direction. Evolution, not revoloution.

Wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution? If it is us [humankind] causing it, and we can develop the technologies to change that, then we should. Tis better to try to be a part of the environment rather than continue to exploit it and take the risk.

Bottom line is, the planet will survive, with or without us. The earth isn't going anywhere, we are. We need to keep looking at the problem(s) with an open mind and educate ourselves so we can make the best decision.

I'll put my stick away for now. (But I was having so much fun with it )