Collision between Carrier and Destroyer?

will1987 · 10-26-08, 09:52 PM

I assume it is possible in SH4? I was in the Battle of Midway and fired off a torpedo @ a carrier. I didn't follow the torpedo all the way to it's target in order to maneuver away from other IJN vessels and the message said "Torpedo Impact." I look over and the destroyer is listing badly, but dangerously close to the carrier. I have no idea whether the destroyer and carrier collided or whether I scored a hit on the carrier. Anyways, I know I sank a destroyer and might have finished off a Kongo Battleship, but still confused about whether enemy ships can collide in the course of battle.

Arclight · 10-26-08, 09:57 PM

They can, but it's rare. Seems more likely in poor visibility;
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10-26-08, 10:34 PM

its very common in the single missions when dealing with large task forces but i havent seen it in campaigns but i would imagine it could happen if the ships were close enough together. with merchant convoys you dont see it because they dont have enough speed to run anything over, it just moves out of the way before they hit.

the fast warships scramble (often in different directions) when alerted and often you see a destroyer get pushed around and occassionally sink from it. the midway mission is one that you can get it to happen in quite often but not every time. the key is if you knock off most of the capital ships so the main body of the task force is destroyed, say two of the carriers and a battleship, then the destroyers and cruisers will circle you like flies on a turd and two or three destroyers will almost certainly get run into and pushed around but in order to sink they need to get pushed under and flood so unless its a carrier or battleship doing it they usually pop up after getting pushed around untill it slides out of the way.

ship to ship collisions in the game dont damage either ship as far as i can tell but the ship that is being pushed will take on water to some degree so after seperating they sit low in the bow untill they pump the water out, then they are good as new.

Seminole · 10-27-08, 08:09 AM

I have never seen any collisions but I did see a destroyer blow his own stern off once with depth charges.

Which would suit me fine if that happened more often...

Many strange things happen in the sim..so I wouldn't rule out collisions just because I had not witnessed one personally.

McBeck · 10-27-08, 08:50 AM

I have seen instances where they have started to shoot on each other

f1afreak · 10-27-08, 10:15 AM

i have had the pleasure of watching an escorting destroyer run down and plow over a lifeboat full of survivors at high speed, crushing the lifeboat and the survivors, the amazing thing was, it did not have to happen, the destroyer just went ape sh*t and started mowing over the lifeboats

SteamWake · 10-27-08, 10:48 AM

LOL... yea this is nothing new. These types of incidents have been around since SH3.

Remeber in SH3 when the PT boats would shoot themselves and set themselves on fire because their firing arc was lower than themselves :rotfl:

Ive seen ships run into one another, Ive seen ships run aground, Ive seen planes fly into the side of a mountain.

Yea Ive seen all kinds of things. I saw just last night a gun crew still at their station on a sinking merchant. She was rolled 90 degrees, bow resting on the bottom. Dedicated, gravity defying gun crew

will1987 · 10-27-08, 10:49 AM

Well, I got that carrier today, that much I know for certain. I wait for the allied air raids to arrive and start shooting while the escorts are dodging bombs and maneuvering all around. Scored 1 direct hit on the carrier and it must've hit something important because 90 seconds later it was gone. I'm still having to waste torpedoes on destroyers though, which frustrates me a little.

I still don't see why enemy ships shouldn't be able to collide, after all was it not a torpedo that caused the mayhem between Mogami and another ship in real life that resulted in a collision that sunk one of them and caused the other to be out of action for a very long time?

will1987 · 10-27-08, 10:53 AM

I also noticed a surviving American pilot standing on water.

jamz · 10-27-08, 01:52 PM

The other day at the docks, I watched a soldier take a long walk, off a short pier, over thin air, almost out to the deck of my boat, look around, then walk the thin air back to the dock. :p

Arclight · 10-27-08, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Yea Ive seen all kinds of things. I saw just last night a gun crew still at their station on a sinking merchant. She was rolled 90 degrees, bow resting on the bottom. Dedicated, gravity defying gun crew

Tenacious bunch, aren't they?

ancient46 · 10-28-08, 12:31 AM

If you ever get the chance to watch a carrier sink, especially one that rolls over, the planes that aren't blown off the flight deck stay super glued to it no matter how much the ship lists.

Seminole · 10-28-08, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by will1987

I also noticed a surviving American pilot standing on water.

Much to the chagrin of the old navy salts,we Zoomies have always been quite adept at "walking on water."

They still puzzle over why we don't bother to tuck our pant legs into our boots during ship's drills...

banjo · 10-28-08, 10:32 AM

In a career using external view I watched a destroyer ram a merchie. Nothing happened--they just bumper carred their way past each other and kept on.

SteamWake · 10-28-08, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by banjo

In a career using external view I watched a destroyer ram a merchie. Nothing happened--they just bumper carred their way past each other and kept on.

Remember when the destoyers would run over your sub striking your conning tower and the Destroyer would burst into flames and sink ?! :rotfl:

10-26-08, 09:52 PM	#1
will1987 Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Collision between Carrier and Destroyer? I assume it is possible in SH4? I was in the Battle of Midway and fired off a torpedo @ a carrier. I didn't follow the torpedo all the way to it's target in order to maneuver away from other IJN vessels and the message said "Torpedo Impact." I look over and the destroyer is listing badly, but dangerously close to the carrier. I have no idea whether the destroyer and carrier collided or whether I scored a hit on the carrier. Anyways, I know I sank a destroyer and might have finished off a Kongo Battleship, but still confused about whether enemy ships can collide in the course of battle.

10-26-08, 09:57 PM	#2
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	They can, but it's rare. Seems more likely in poor visibility; http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j..._968scaled.jpg Welcome aboard. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

10-27-08, 08:09 AM	#4
Seminole Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	I have never seen any collisions but I did see a destroyer blow his own stern off once with depth charges. Which would suit me fine if that happened more often... Many strange things happen in the sim..so I wouldn't rule out collisions just because I had not witnessed one personally. __________________

10-27-08, 08:50 AM	#5
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I have seen instances where they have started to shoot on each other __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

10-26-08, 10:34 PM	#3
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	its very common in the single missions when dealing with large task forces but i havent seen it in campaigns but i would imagine it could happen if the ships were close enough together. with merchant convoys you dont see it because they dont have enough speed to run anything over, it just moves out of the way before they hit. the fast warships scramble (often in different directions) when alerted and often you see a destroyer get pushed around and occassionally sink from it. the midway mission is one that you can get it to happen in quite often but not every time. the key is if you knock off most of the capital ships so the main body of the task force is destroyed, say two of the carriers and a battleship, then the destroyers and cruisers will circle you like flies on a turd and two or three destroyers will almost certainly get run into and pushed around but in order to sink they need to get pushed under and flood so unless its a carrier or battleship doing it they usually pop up after getting pushed around untill it slides out of the way. ship to ship collisions in the game dont damage either ship as far as i can tell but the ship that is being pushed will take on water to some degree so after seperating they sit low in the bow untill they pump the water out, then they are good as new.

10-27-08, 10:15 AM	#6
f1afreak Bilge Rat Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i have had the pleasure of watching an escorting destroyer run down and plow over a lifeboat full of survivors at high speed, crushing the lifeboat and the survivors, the amazing thing was, it did not have to happen, the destroyer just went ape sh*t and started mowing over the lifeboats

10-27-08, 10:48 AM	#7
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	LOL... yea this is nothing new. These types of incidents have been around since SH3. Remeber in SH3 when the PT boats would shoot themselves and set themselves on fire because their firing arc was lower than themselves :rotfl: Ive seen ships run into one another, Ive seen ships run aground, Ive seen planes fly into the side of a mountain. Yea Ive seen all kinds of things. I saw just last night a gun crew still at their station on a sinking merchant. She was rolled 90 degrees, bow resting on the bottom. Dedicated, gravity defying gun crew

10-27-08, 10:49 AM	#8
will1987 Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, I got that carrier today, that much I know for certain. I wait for the allied air raids to arrive and start shooting while the escorts are dodging bombs and maneuvering all around. Scored 1 direct hit on the carrier and it must've hit something important because 90 seconds later it was gone. I'm still having to waste torpedoes on destroyers though, which frustrates me a little. I still don't see why enemy ships shouldn't be able to collide, after all was it not a torpedo that caused the mayhem between Mogami and another ship in real life that resulted in a collision that sunk one of them and caused the other to be out of action for a very long time?

10-27-08, 10:53 AM	#9
will1987 Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I also noticed a surviving American pilot standing on water.

10-27-08, 01:52 PM	#10
jamz Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 46 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The other day at the docks, I watched a soldier take a long walk, off a short pier, over thin air, almost out to the deck of my boat, look around, then walk the thin air back to the dock. :p

10-28-08, 12:31 AM	#12
ancient46 Officer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 239 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 1	If you ever get the chance to watch a carrier sink, especially one that rolls over, the planes that aren't blown off the flight deck stay super glued to it no matter how much the ship lists.

10-28-08, 10:32 AM	#14
banjo Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 762 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	In a career using external view I watched a destroyer ram a merchie. Nothing happened--they just bumper carred their way past each other and kept on.