GCHQ To Eavesdrop on Every UK E-Mail and Mobile Call

lesrae · 10-05-08, 11:42 AM

As STEED's not here to flip out on this one...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4882600.ece

The Government's planning on monitoring/recording every e-mail and mobile call in an attempt to prevent terrorism. As a fairly law-abiding bloke (not counting the odd spliff) this doesn't really phase me, but it's a controversial step for sure.

Hylander_1314 · 10-05-08, 02:42 PM

As Benjamin Franklin said though, "They that would trade liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Just like our homegrown homeland security in the US. Just another step towards totalitarianism and another step away from liberty. All in the name of safety.

Oberon · 10-05-08, 03:06 PM

Eh, they won't be happy until they know what I've had for breakfast this morning. :hmm:

DeepIron · 10-05-08, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Just like our homegrown homeland security in the US. Just another step towards totalitarianism and another step away from liberty. All in the name of safety.

The sad part, IMO, is that I don't feel any 'safer' than before they started doing this crap...

Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" always echoes in my mind when I read or hear about more personal freedoms being infringed upon in the "name of safety". It's only a matter of time folks...

So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell,
blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?
And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?

goldorak · 10-05-08, 08:20 PM

Start using pgp for emails.
That is until encryption (for mainstreet people) is banned from the uk :rotfl: .
Its absurd that a normal letter has more legal protection than an email. Take your rights back, use pgp.

goldorak · 10-05-08, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

As Benjamin Franklin said though, "They that would trade liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Just like our homegrown homeland security in the US. Just another step towards totalitarianism and another step away from liberty. All in the name of safety.

Have you read this : New surveillance program will turn military satellites on US ?
What happened to the craddle of modern democracy ?
Time for another revolution I guess.

Hylander_1314 · 10-05-08, 09:34 PM

These are truely troubled times. But it has been stated before that every welfare state eventually becomes a totalitarian state. Give them bread and circus'.

Honestly, I think a lot of folks have forgotten what it means to be an American. The responsibility involved, and the need for knowledge and wisdom, to temper rash ideas. The ideas and thoughts on personal liberty and property, and privacy by the founding fathers has been mostly lost on today's people. They either don't care, think they can't do anything about it, or are to to speak up.

The US of A is the only place on the planet that was seeded with those things, but mainly liberty. And should America fall into the abyss of a new dark age, where else is there to go?

Not so much a revolt is needed as is a stance for a second round of Independence. We still have the right of redress of grievences. And there are many that need to be adressed. Trouble is, getting folks motivated beyond complaining where it doesn't count. And, we did kick the redcoats out once before.

Jimbuna · 10-06-08, 09:58 AM

Does that mean they'll also have transcripts from all those weird folk in Westminster after they've called their wives and girlfriends ring to book hookers for the night :hmm:

clive bradbury · 10-06-08, 10:30 AM

Several points spring to mind here.

1. Definite infringement of personal freedom, and should be illegal except for genuine suspects via a court order only.

2. If GCHQ want to read my e-mails good luck to 'em - but what a waste of taxpayers money.

3. Logistically impossible anyway due to the sheer numbers (1,800 texts per second). I have been working at home today and have sent at least 40 e-mails in the past 10 hours.

4. Encode all your e-mails. Let's see GCHQ break enigma again, or use one of the more secure virtual coding machines available here: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/ That should keep 'em busy for a while.

conus00 · 10-06-08, 10:32 AM

Well sometimes when I talk to my girl over the cell here in the US I insert in our completely innocent conversation something like "...BOMB, BOMB, BOMB that was for you guys at Homeland Security, go screw yourselves...". It is not very satisfying but at least I get some service for my taxpayer's buck.

UnderseaLcpl · 10-06-08, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by clive bradbury

Several points spring to mind here.

1. Definite infringement of personal freedom, and should be illegal except for genuine suspects via a court order only.

2. If GCHQ want to read my e-mails good luck to 'em - but what a waste of taxpayers money.

3. Logistically impossible anyway due to the sheer numbers (1,800 texts per second). I have been working at home today and have sent at least 40 e-mails in the past 10 hours.

4. Encode all your e-mails. Let's see GCHQ break enigma again, or use one of the more secure virtual coding machines available here: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/ That should keep 'em busy for a while.

Not that any of that would stop them from pursuing this idiocy anyway.

10-05-08, 11:42 AM	#1
lesrae Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, UK. Posts: 932 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	GCHQ To Eavesdrop on Every UK E-Mail and Mobile Call As STEED's not here to flip out on this one... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4882600.ece The Government's planning on monitoring/recording every e-mail and mobile call in an attempt to prevent terrorism. As a fairly law-abiding bloke (not counting the odd spliff) this doesn't really phase me, but it's a controversial step for sure.

10-05-08, 02:42 PM	#2
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	As Benjamin Franklin said though, "They that would trade liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Just like our homegrown homeland security in the US. Just another step towards totalitarianism and another step away from liberty. All in the name of safety. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

10-05-08, 09:34 PM	#7
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	These are truely troubled times. But it has been stated before that every welfare state eventually becomes a totalitarian state. Give them bread and circus'. Honestly, I think a lot of folks have forgotten what it means to be an American. The responsibility involved, and the need for knowledge and wisdom, to temper rash ideas. The ideas and thoughts on personal liberty and property, and privacy by the founding fathers has been mostly lost on today's people. They either don't care, think they can't do anything about it, or are to to speak up. The US of A is the only place on the planet that was seeded with those things, but mainly liberty. And should America fall into the abyss of a new dark age, where else is there to go? Not so much a revolt is needed as is a stance for a second round of Independence. We still have the right of redress of grievences. And there are many that need to be adressed. Trouble is, getting folks motivated beyond complaining where it doesn't count. And, we did kick the redcoats out once before. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

10-06-08, 09:58 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Does that mean they'll also have transcripts from all those weird folk in Westminster after they've called their wives and girlfriends ring to book hookers for the night :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-06-08, 10:32 AM	#10
conus00 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: DB85 Posts: 804 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	Well sometimes when I talk to my girl over the cell here in the US I insert in our completely innocent conversation something like "...BOMB, BOMB, BOMB that was for you guys at Homeland Security, go screw yourselves...". It is not very satisfying but at least I get some service for my taxpayer's buck. __________________

10-05-08, 03:06 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Eh, they won't be happy until they know what I've had for breakfast this morning. :hmm:

10-05-08, 08:20 PM	#5
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Start using pgp for emails. That is until encryption (for mainstreet people) is banned from the uk :rotfl: . Its absurd that a normal letter has more legal protection than an email. Take your rights back, use pgp.

10-06-08, 10:30 AM	#9
clive bradbury Captain Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: stoke-on-trent, UK Posts: 492 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Several points spring to mind here. 1. Definite infringement of personal freedom, and should be illegal except for genuine suspects via a court order only. 2. If GCHQ want to read my e-mails good luck to 'em - but what a waste of taxpayers money. 3. Logistically impossible anyway due to the sheer numbers (1,800 texts per second). I have been working at home today and have sent at least 40 e-mails in the past 10 hours. 4. Encode all your e-mails. Let's see GCHQ break enigma again, or use one of the more secure virtual coding machines available here: http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/ That should keep 'em busy for a while.