Democracy: SH5, which era do you want?

The General · 10-04-08, 09:38 AM

To the Subsim Community,

The next Silent Hunter should involve modern submarine warfare simply because it will allow the possiblity of proper sub vs sub combat for the first time. Anybody who ever played Red Storm Rising will know how intense and atmospheric this can be and that was with just a handful off two-dimensional screens

. No true subsim fan could not wanna see this done with with modern 3D graphics! Anybody who says that no sub ever engaged another in real life is a bit naive. Even if they didn't in the past, what's to say it won't happen in the near future? Just imagine; stalking your prey in real life topographical terrain, taking water temperature and salinity into consideration, hunting for enemy subs under the ice-pack, or breaking through said ice to launch a missile strike! Fantastic stuff!

This forum, and others like it, do have an influence on the software houses and developers. Afterall, we're their customers, it would be bad business not to pay attention. If, for example, a petition was submitted with hundreds of names on it, asking for SH5 or 6 to be a modern warfare subsim, they would pay attention.

Go watch The Hunt for Red October, Crimson Tide, Ice Station Zebra and K-19: The Widowmaker and then tell me this isn't the best idea since bread came sliced!

If I lose, I will go quietly.

MBot · 10-04-08, 10:18 AM

Here is a little food for thought for those that fear that Cold War is all about computers:

Did you know that until 1972, the primary anti-ship torpedo of US subs, including nuclear attack subs as the Skipjack and Thresher/Permit class, were the Mk-14 and Mk-16 free running torpedos of WWII vintage?

Te Kaha · 10-04-08, 11:13 AM

My vote goes to WW-I, simply because it has never been done before.

Task Force · 10-04-08, 11:15 AM

I voted WW2, If I could have a second choice id pick WW1.

Sailor Steve · 10-04-08, 11:37 AM

WWII. If, after all, it is to be a completely new game, I'd want to have my old favorites get the updates first. I wouldn't want to be playing WWI with a new engine and still be stuck with that old, klunky SH3 for my WWII fix.

Cold war doesn't interest me, but I'm not sure if it's the whole "I like history and historically nothing happened" or the fact that I lived through it and don't care to again.

Takeda Shingen · 10-04-08, 02:15 PM

Well, just to round out the comments, I'd love a Cold War simulation (let's say 1955-1985). It would be nice to combine Dangerous Waters-style simulation with Silent Hunter graphics.

EDIT: To clarify, my ideal would be a purely historically-based Cold War simulator. This would mean no 'what-ifs', and very little shooting. You wouldn't need follow real-life patrols, but you would do the same types of things: Observe Soviet exercises, tail Russian subs, wire tapping, et al. I know that I am in the absolute minority, but its what I enjoy, and it is what most of my personal Dangerous Waters missions entail. I know that this is very unlikely to be the type of sim released, but that's okay too.

And for the record, yes I do enjoy Microsoft Train Simulator. I know you're all surprised.

V.C. Sniper · 10-04-08, 03:18 PM

Silent Hunter should always remain in WWII.

elanaiba · 10-04-08, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Te Kaha

My vote goes to WW-I, simply because it has never been done before.

http://www.strategyfirst.com/en/games/ShellsOfFury/

Dr.KawleKawle · 10-04-08, 03:31 PM

I voted for WWI. Sinking the Lusitania would get my vote :P

Rockin Robbins · 10-04-08, 06:02 PM

I vote for the devs to do whatever they have in mind and let us be the judge. I would have fought the stuff in SH4UBM U-Boat side tooth and nail. But when I bought it I had the most fun I've had with my clothes on.

I hated Ducimus' idea of evil airplanes that bombed you at periscope depth. When I tried them out I absolutely loved the idea. It made Admiral Fluckey's yo-yo strategy by far the best game in town.

When Lurker came out with RSRD saying that traffic would be where it belonged historically, I railed against that. The real skippers fought an enemy that reacted to what they did. You put a sub here, they find out and run the traffic there. RSRD won't be able to do that. I tried it and it worked great.

I'm through prejudging releases, mods or games. Game developers do what they do because they're good enough to get paid. Experience tells me to take what they put out and then see if I like it. Telling them what to do is out of my league. And out of yours too. They shouldn't be limited to your prejudices and lack of imagination. Or mine.

No vote.

DeepIron · 10-04-08, 06:09 PM

I would actually like to see a "hypothetical" game based on the best recent intelligence and equipment. I feel that the world is slowly moving towards Armegeddon anyway and it could be an interesting area to prospect. Besides, the new undersea technologies would be a break from WWII...

For instance, the Russians aligned with Venezuela perhaps, and operating in waters close to America. The Chinese "going alone" with their own tech. The Australian, British and Americans aligned...

Who knows?

Sailor Steve · 10-04-08, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.KawleKawle

first post!

Don't let it be the last!:p

WELCOME ABOARD!

Christopher Snow · 10-04-08, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepIron

[...] I feel that the world is slowly moving towards Armegeddon anyway and it could be an interesting area to prospect [...]

You certainly aren't alone in this. For my part, I tend to think we might be moving toward it quite a bit faster, in fact.

FWIW, I am NOT a bible-thumper (No. Far from it, in fact--I might be best compared to "Thomas, the skeptic.") Heck...I'm not even sure if I'm a "believer."

But, nonetheless, I can see those same signs too.

CS

frenzied · 10-05-08, 12:50 AM

I'd kind of like an early hypothetical 'cold-war gone hot' scenario, maybe 1950-1960. There should be lots of technical development, not the least would be moving from diesel/electric subs to Nuclear subs. Doing it as a fictional cold-war gone hot scenario would solve what's probably the biggest complaint about the cold war era - no shooting.
That being said, I'd be happy with pretty much anything.

Edit: Even better, Silent Hunter 5 = combined sub/surface ops, or Destroyer Command 2. Hey, we can dream...

Christopher Snow · 10-05-08, 01:07 AM

Sounds almost like "Pre-Red Storm Rising."

That could work.

CS

View Poll Results: SH5, which era do you want?
WWI	15	7.39%
WWII	114	56.16%
COLD WAR	58	28.57%
HYPOTHETICAL NEAR FUTURE SCENARIO	16	7.88%
Voters: 203. You may not vote on this poll

10-04-08, 09:38 AM	#1
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Democracy: SH5, which era do you want? To the Subsim Community, The next Silent Hunter should involve modern submarine warfare simply because it will allow the possiblity of proper sub vs sub combat for the first time. Anybody who ever played Red Storm Rising will know how intense and atmospheric this can be and that was with just a handful off two-dimensional screens . No true subsim fan could not wanna see this done with with modern 3D graphics! Anybody who says that no sub ever engaged another in real life is a bit naive. Even if they didn't in the past, what's to say it won't happen in the near future? Just imagine; stalking your prey in real life topographical terrain, taking water temperature and salinity into consideration, hunting for enemy subs under the ice-pack, or breaking through said ice to launch a missile strike! Fantastic stuff! This forum, and others like it, do have an influence on the software houses and developers. Afterall, we're their customers, it would be bad business not to pay attention. If, for example, a petition was submitted with hundreds of names on it, asking for SH5 or 6 to be a modern warfare subsim, they would pay attention. Go watch The Hunt for Red October, Crimson Tide, Ice Station Zebra and K-19: The Widowmaker and then tell me this isn't the best idea since bread came sliced! If I lose, I will go quietly. __________________ *THE GENERAL* Last edited by The General; 10-04-08 at 09:54 AM.

10-04-08, 11:13 AM	#3
Te Kaha Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austrian landlubber Posts: 178 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 2	My vote goes to WW-I, simply because it has never been done before. __________________ "E hoa, ka whawhai tonu mātou, Āke! Āke! Āke!" (Friend, we will fight on forever, forever and forever!) Rewi Maniapoto's reply to British calls for surrender, Orakau, 1864

10-04-08, 11:15 AM	#4
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I voted WW2, If I could have a second choice id pick WW1. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

10-04-08, 11:37 AM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	WWII. If, after all, it is to be a completely new game, I'd want to have my old favorites get the updates first. I wouldn't want to be playing WWI with a new engine and still be stuck with that old, klunky SH3 for my WWII fix. Cold war doesn't interest me, but I'm not sure if it's the whole "I like history and historically nothing happened" or the fact that I lived through it and don't care to again. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-04-08, 10:18 AM	#2
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Here is a little food for thought for those that fear that Cold War is all about computers: Did you know that until 1972, the primary anti-ship torpedo of US subs, including nuclear attack subs as the Skipjack and Thresher/Permit class, were the Mk-14 and Mk-16 free running torpedos of WWII vintage?

10-04-08, 02:15 PM	#6
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Well, just to round out the comments, I'd love a Cold War simulation (let's say 1955-1985). It would be nice to combine Dangerous Waters-style simulation with Silent Hunter graphics. EDIT: To clarify, my ideal would be a purely historically-based Cold War simulator. This would mean no 'what-ifs', and very little shooting. You wouldn't need follow real-life patrols, but you would do the same types of things: Observe Soviet exercises, tail Russian subs, wire tapping, et al. I know that I am in the absolute minority, but its what I enjoy, and it is what most of my personal Dangerous Waters missions entail. I know that this is very unlikely to be the type of sim released, but that's okay too. And for the record, yes I do enjoy Microsoft Train Simulator. I know you're all surprised. Last edited by Takeda Shingen; 10-04-08 at 04:32 PM.

10-04-08, 03:18 PM	#7
V.C. Sniper Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Silent Hunter should always remain in WWII. __________________ I only need one torpedo.

10-04-08, 03:31 PM	#9
Dr.KawleKawle Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 13 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	first post! I voted for WWI. Sinking the Lusitania would get my vote :P

10-04-08, 06:02 PM	#10
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I vote for the devs to do whatever they have in mind and let us be the judge. I would have fought the stuff in SH4UBM U-Boat side tooth and nail. But when I bought it I had the most fun I've had with my clothes on. I hated Ducimus' idea of evil airplanes that bombed you at periscope depth. When I tried them out I absolutely loved the idea. It made Admiral Fluckey's yo-yo strategy by far the best game in town. When Lurker came out with RSRD saying that traffic would be where it belonged historically, I railed against that. The real skippers fought an enemy that reacted to what they did. You put a sub here, they find out and run the traffic there. RSRD won't be able to do that. I tried it and it worked great. I'm through prejudging releases, mods or games. Game developers do what they do because they're good enough to get paid. Experience tells me to take what they put out and then see if I like it. Telling them what to do is out of my league. And out of yours too. They shouldn't be limited to your prejudices and lack of imagination. Or mine. No vote. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-04-08, 06:09 PM	#11
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would actually like to see a "hypothetical" game based on the best recent intelligence and equipment. I feel that the world is slowly moving towards Armegeddon anyway and it could be an interesting area to prospect. Besides, the new undersea technologies would be a break from WWII... For instance, the Russians aligned with Venezuela perhaps, and operating in waters close to America. The Chinese "going alone" with their own tech. The Australian, British and Americans aligned... Who knows? __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

10-05-08, 12:50 AM	#14
frenzied Watch Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 30 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I'd kind of like an early hypothetical 'cold-war gone hot' scenario, maybe 1950-1960. There should be lots of technical development, not the least would be moving from diesel/electric subs to Nuclear subs. Doing it as a fictional cold-war gone hot scenario would solve what's probably the biggest complaint about the cold war era - no shooting. That being said, I'd be happy with pretty much anything. Edit: Even better, Silent Hunter 5 = combined sub/surface ops, or Destroyer Command 2. Hey, we can dream...

10-05-08, 01:07 AM	#15
Christopher Snow Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 201 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Sounds almost like "Pre-Red Storm Rising." That could work. CS