Palin and censorship

Von Tonner · 09-06-08, 07:56 AM

If I were a Palin supporter this would really disturb me.

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Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so. According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired.

I see a similarity here with the current investigation on whether Palin abused her official powers - seems she has the same mindset as Bush 'You are either with us, or against us'.

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Emmons got a letter from Palin asking for her resignation. Similar letters went to police chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton and finance director Duane Dvorak. John Cooper, a fifth director, resigned after Palin eliminated his job overseeing the city museum. Palin told the Daily News back then the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor’s job

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/20...es#articleFull

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

Konovalov · 09-06-08, 10:41 AM

Sounds a little like a continuation of the last 8 years. :hmm:

Thomen · 09-06-08, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

Foxtrot · 09-06-08, 11:38 AM

No intention for character assassination but why her grades are holy grail, and can't be disclosed? Is there something fishy about her attending 5 colleges in 6 years?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_124036.html

Kapt Z · 09-06-08, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

The problem lies in "Teach both". They are hardly equal. One is a well established scientific theory, the other is a matter of faith. I want my young daughter to learn how the world works in PUBLIC school and how her soul works in SUNDAY school.

SUBMAN1 · 09-06-08, 12:04 PM

I love it how all the details 'are missing'. Who knows what happened in this exchange? Did it even happen? Grasping for straws.

-S

Wolfehunter · 09-06-08, 12:15 PM

Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her? Seriously are the americans going to put good people into power or just more crooks with crazy extreme ideologies?

SUBMAN1 · 09-06-08, 12:19 PM

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Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her? Seriously are the americans going to put good people into power or just more crooks with crazy extreme ideologies?

I don't think you have to worry. Its all the Euro's that are posting all this stuff and they can't vote.

-S

Frame57 · 09-06-08, 12:20 PM

I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm:

SUBMAN1 · 09-06-08, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm:

Nope, and it shouldn't be taught either.

-S

Von Tonner · 09-06-08, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

No, I have no problem with teaching evolution and creationism in school - in fact I would support it. BUT I have a huge problem with an elected official determining what books I can or not read in the local Library. Back in the days of my countries sordid past one book that comes to mind that was banned was "Black Beauty" - a story as you might know of a horse. But the powers that be saw "Black" equated with beauty and banned it. Is that what you want to see in a VP of the leader of the free world - I hope to god not.

Kapt Z · 09-06-08, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm:

No, but then again I live in NJ which makes me almost French.

Tchocky · 09-06-08, 12:47 PM

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No, but then again I live in NJ which makes me almost French.

Frame57 · 09-06-08, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm:

No, but then again I live in NJ which makes me almost French.

Naw, you gotta lotta good gumba's livin in Joisey...

Platapus · 09-06-08, 01:20 PM

Censoring books in libraries.

Hard to believe there are people in favour it this crap in the US.

09-06-08, 10:41 AM	#2
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Sounds a little like a continuation of the last 8 years. :hmm: __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

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Foxtrot Ensign Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 231 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No intention for character assassination but why her grades are holy grail, and can't be disclosed? Is there something fishy about her attending 5 colleges in 6 years? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_124036.html __________________ And when the plane got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I love it how all the details 'are missing'. Who knows what happened in this exchange? Did it even happen? Grasping for straws. -S __________________

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Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her? Seriously are the americans going to put good people into power or just more crooks with crazy extreme ideologies? __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Censoring books in libraries. Hard to believe there are people in favour it this crap in the US. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm: