6 duds and the end of a carrer

SteamWake · 09-01-08, 02:13 PM

There it was... Huge Liner over 10,000 tons. Escorted by 3 destroyers..

Headed right for us. Manuvered into position easly. Good shot from inside of 1,500 yards. Torpedes set fast, check, set shallow check, solution check, open doors Check.

Fire 1, 2, 3, 4

Down scope, Left full rudder, make your depth 180 feet.... (time passes)

"Torpedo was a dud sir!". Good thing I took four shots

, "Dud sir,... Dud sir...

Surely the last one will "Torpedo was a dud sir!"... For cryin out loud! Ahead full right full rudder ready tubes 5 & 6...

Reach Periscope depth, rudder amidships... At this point the freighter had gone into flank and one of the DD's is steaming right for my scope, quick calcs, some guesses and "Fire 5, 6" Down scope, left full rudder, crash dive !

We reached about 120 feet when "Torpedo was a dud sir" and again the 6th was also a dud.

The first salvo of DC's was brutal with two close ones causing flooding engine and other damage not to mention the crew.

Finally passing the thermal we slowed and centered the rudder. Could not afford to call for silent running as the flooding was getting ahead of us.

Ping, ping, Crap he has us boadside... This time they found the depth and ... well... killed. All hands lost....

6 duds in a row

Captin Fred Plunkem and the crew of the Pickrel... Hell of a carrier about 10 tours and more than enough tonnage.

C DuDe · 09-01-08, 03:35 PM

Smells like sabotage to me.. But then again we'll never know now

Seminole · 09-01-08, 05:17 PM

Thats what you get for playing with invincibility off...

...your mama should have warned you...

banjo · 09-01-08, 06:37 PM

That's perzactly why I never check 'dud torpdeos' in options.

SteamWake · 09-02-08, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Seminole

Thats what you get for playing with invincibility off...

...your mama should have warned you...

I think that liner had invincibility ON... I mean 6 duds in a row !!! :hmm:

Thats a record for me at least, anyone have more than 6 in a row? Not misses... duds.

LOL on my next 'new' carrier starting in 1943 first two torps out of the box... duds.. here we go again :rotfl:

GunnersMate · 09-02-08, 12:59 PM

At this point what you would do is take the torpedo room's LPO stuff in the tube and see if he's a dud too.

Arclight · 09-02-08, 02:03 PM

I remember chasing a particularly lucky one: Fired spread of 4, all hits with 1 detonation. She didn't sink, so I fired 2 more as she was maneuvering. Both hit, both dud. Surfaced and engaged with the gun, staying out of range of theirs. 70 shells later, nothing, not a scratch. Fired 4 more torps in a surface attack, all duds. Fired remaining 80 shells, again not any more flooding, but at least I brought her to a dead stop. Submerged to get close, postioned to hit her flank, and this one finally blew. Down she went.

I think the third torp in the first spread was good, so the fourth + 2 duds after that + 4 duds after the gun didn't do anything makes 7 in a row (at least 6 if the fourth in the spread was the good one), total of 9 in that engagement.

NSM + ROW/PE + RFB + RSRD.

SteamWake · 09-02-08, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

I remember chasing a particularly lucky one: Fired spread of 4, all hits with 1 detonation. She didn't sink, so I fired 2 more as she was maneuvering. Both hit, both dud. Surfaced and engaged with the gun, staying out of range of theirs. 70 shells later, nothing, not a scratch. Fired 4 more torps in a surface attack, all duds. Fired remaining 80 shells, again not any more flooding, but at least I brought her to a dead stop. Submerged to get close, postioned to hit her flank, and this one finally blew. Down she went.

I think the third torp in the first spread was good, so the fourth + 2 duds after that + 4 duds after the gun didn't do anything makes 7 in a row (at least 6 if the fourth in the spread was the good one), total of 9 in that engagement.

NSM + ROW/PE + RFB + RSRD.

At least it was un-escorted evidently.

If ANY of the first four in the salvo would have detonated we would have continued evasion and be 'alive' today.

It was the frustration, and frankly the stupidity of the captain (me) comming back to fire the last two fish in the bow tubes. Yes the second attempt is what got them destroyed.

Orion2012 · 09-02-08, 03:00 PM

Isn't the chance of a dud reduced by 50% when firing with the slow setting??

I mean it would make sense to mdel that, especially giving the nature of what caused the duds. (The pin being crushed from the force)

Arclight · 09-02-08, 03:24 PM

Yes, spot on.

Also, having a torpedo strike at less then 90deg angle will reduce duds, because the forces exerted on the pin are reduced as well. I aim for around 75deg.

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

At least it was un-escorted evidently.

Obviously.

I hate destroyers, and they're not particularly fond of me either.

Too bad you got sunk. Let's hope that the lessons learned that day live on to save another crew someday.

SteamWake · 09-02-08, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Orion2012

Isn't the chance of a dud reduced by 50% when firing with the slow setting??

I mean it would make sense to mdel that, especially giving the nature of what caused the duds. (The pin being crushed from the force)

Possibly true. Would be news to me though :hmm: Ill have to consider this if it can be confirmed.

However in retrospect I still would have used the fast settings. Ive attacked this type of convoy before and watched in disbelief as they altered course nearly as soon as the torps left the tubes resulting in a bunch of misses.

So now I get in close and fire them at fast so even if they do react they prob wont be able to in time. Out of a salvo of 4 you would think at least one would go off.

Orion2012 · 09-02-08, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Originally Posted by Orion2012

Isn't the chance of a dud reduced by 50% when firing with the slow setting??

I mean it would make sense to mdel that, especially giving the nature of what caused the duds. (The pin being crushed from the force)

Possibly true. Would be news to me though :hmm: Ill have to consider this if it can be confirmed.

However in retrospect I still would have used the fast settings. Ive attacked this type of convoy before and watched in disbelief as they altered course nearly as soon as the torps left the tubes resulting in a bunch of misses.

So now I get in close and fire them at fast so even if they do react they prob wont be able to in time. Out of a salvo of 4 you would think at least one would go off.

This came from the RFB forum:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=1176

But out of 4 torpedoes, you would think at least one would go off, but certainly makes you realize how some skippers were convinced the malfunctions were caused by an error in OP, not an equipment malfunction

Atony94 · 09-02-08, 07:21 PM

ah nice find orion im sure that will help a bunch of people.

You know if your like me (realism rating 35) you dont need to worry about duds, if it makes you feel better you can throw a can at your computer after every..2 torpedo shots.

Orion2012 · 09-02-08, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Atony94

ah nice find orion im sure that will help a bunch of people.

You know if your like me (realism rating 35) you dont need to worry about duds, if it makes you feel better you can throw a can at your computer after every..2 torpedo shots.

I don't mind the dudes so much, as later in the war they aren't a problem, and since Luke pointed out the slow speed setting, I'd say 70% of my contacts that I close within 1000yards of go down. Not that is of course still excluding DD's and most any Warship as slow torpedoes are easily dodged.

bookworm_020 · 09-03-08, 01:15 AM

Ouch!

Well take comfort in the fact that it happened like that in real life. I think 16 duds in a row was the record!

09-01-08, 02:13 PM	#1
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	6 duds and the end of a carrer There it was... Huge Liner over 10,000 tons. Escorted by 3 destroyers.. Headed right for us. Manuvered into position easly. Good shot from inside of 1,500 yards. Torpedes set fast, check, set shallow check, solution check, open doors Check. Fire 1, 2, 3, 4 Down scope, Left full rudder, make your depth 180 feet.... (time passes) "Torpedo was a dud sir!". Good thing I took four shots , "Dud sir,... Dud sir... Surely the last one will "Torpedo was a dud sir!"... For cryin out loud! Ahead full right full rudder ready tubes 5 & 6... Reach Periscope depth, rudder amidships... At this point the freighter had gone into flank and one of the DD's is steaming right for my scope, quick calcs, some guesses and "Fire 5, 6" Down scope, left full rudder, crash dive ! We reached about 120 feet when "Torpedo was a dud sir" and again the 6th was also a dud. The first salvo of DC's was brutal with two close ones causing flooding engine and other damage not to mention the crew. Finally passing the thermal we slowed and centered the rudder. Could not afford to call for silent running as the flooding was getting ahead of us. Ping, ping, Crap he has us boadside... This time they found the depth and ... well... killed. All hands lost.... 6 duds in a row Captin Fred Plunkem and the crew of the Pickrel... Hell of a carrier about 10 tours and more than enough tonnage.

09-01-08, 05:17 PM	#3
Seminole Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	Thats what you get for playing with invincibility off... ...your mama should have warned you... __________________

09-02-08, 12:59 PM	#6
GunnersMate Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USS Sea Tiger Posts: 251 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	At this point what you would do is take the torpedo room's LPO stuff in the tube and see if he's a dud too. __________________ \"Sir they just fired an Exocet at us!\" \"Very well, Bosn pipe Sweepers\" I\'m having trouble with the radar, sir. What\'s wrong with it? I\'ve lost the bleeps, I\'ve lost the sweeps, and I\'ve lost the creeps.

09-02-08, 02:03 PM	#7
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	I remember chasing a particularly lucky one: Fired spread of 4, all hits with 1 detonation. She didn't sink, so I fired 2 more as she was maneuvering. Both hit, both dud. Surfaced and engaged with the gun, staying out of range of theirs. 70 shells later, nothing, not a scratch. Fired 4 more torps in a surface attack, all duds. Fired remaining 80 shells, again not any more flooding, but at least I brought her to a dead stop. Submerged to get close, postioned to hit her flank, and this one finally blew. Down she went. I think the third torp in the first spread was good, so the fourth + 2 duds after that + 4 duds after the gun didn't do anything makes 7 in a row (at least 6 if the fourth in the spread was the good one), total of 9 in that engagement. NSM + ROW/PE + RFB + RSRD. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

09-03-08, 01:15 AM	#15
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Ouch! Well take comfort in the fact that it happened like that in real life. I think 16 duds in a row was the record! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

09-01-08, 03:35 PM	#2
C DuDe Ensign Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 229 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Smells like sabotage to me.. But then again we'll never know now

09-01-08, 06:37 PM	#4
banjo Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 762 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	That's perzactly why I never check 'dud torpdeos' in options.

09-02-08, 03:00 PM	#9
Orion2012 Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 611 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Isn't the chance of a dud reduced by 50% when firing with the slow setting?? I mean it would make sense to mdel that, especially giving the nature of what caused the duds. (The pin being crushed from the force)

09-02-08, 07:21 PM	#13
Atony94 Seaman Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 36 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	ah nice find orion im sure that will help a bunch of people. You know if your like me (realism rating 35) you dont need to worry about duds, if it makes you feel better you can throw a can at your computer after every..2 torpedo shots.