Deck gun, torpedo, sub detail and graphics question ?

CollateralDamage · 07-03-08, 04:46 AM

First the deck gun damage. I use the 3 50 Deck Gun quite a lot to finish those pesky merchants who didn't want to go down under from max two torpedoes. Then The Navy offered me a Gato-class sub with a 4 50 Deck Gun. And I noticed that with the 4 50 Deck Gun when I hit a ship it makes a hole in the ship!!

BUT then I noticed that it doesn't do the bloody holes in all the ships or everywhere on the ship where I hit it. Is there a detailed document explaining when do the nice holes appear on the ship or is it a bug/glitch from running mods that enhance some ship models but not all?

Is it just me or does the Mk.14 torpedo like to have a premature detonation in rough seas in 15-26 feet? I had THREE of those splode in ONE attack. Fourth did hit the ship though. And I've had TWO Mk.14 torpedoes do a 360 after firing and hitting myself.

Where can I find information about the differences between the submarine classes? Ie. Gato and Gar for example (Like speeds, depths, torp tube amounts etc. In SH3 those could be seen in the museum/gallery) ?

What does the "Use normal ship models" graphic setting do exactly? I have mods that modify atleast some of the ship models so should I tic it off?
I have everything else on except the volymetric fog, glare and postpro thingies (The 2nd and 3rd top ones on the left colum in the settings screen). Do I miss any nice effects with those off? I don't mean weather etc. but like details in ship damages or detail? :hmm:

LeeVanSpliff · 07-03-08, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CollateralDamage

Is it just me or does the Mk.14 torpedo like to have a premature detonation in rough seas in 15-26 feet? I had THREE of those splode in ONE attack. Fourth did hit the ship though. And I've had TWO Mk.14 torpedoes do a 360 after firing and hitting myself.

Dunno about the 360, but in SH3 I believe that the magnetic trigger on the torpedo could sometimes be activated by the other torpedoes in the water. I used to wait a bit between torpedoes in SH3 and the habit sort of carried over to SH4 and I haven't had problems with torpedoes detonating.

CollateralDamage · 07-03-08, 07:44 AM

Okey I'll keep that in mind. The 360 torpedo really puzzled me. Because I fired two torpedoes. The second went according to the firing solution but the first one... gone berserk. After firing them i switched to external view and wondered why the the torpedo turned hard starboard right after it left the tube and after watching it a few seconds I realised that it WILL hit me but it was a bit too late to try and avoid it.

I also found a post after reading through 3 pages of threads. The post was by DrBreast and according to him for a visual damage effect to appear the damage you do must surpass the ships armor rating (?). So if you shoot a gun with 10 damage and you have 25 armor rating you won't see any visual damage BUT you do take damage. But it's not visible. Is this what's happening with the 3"50 vs. 4"50 deck guns? The 4"50 just has that little bit bigger punch to make them lovely holes in the hull of ships that it's capable of penetrating? And do the AP and HE shells have different damage ratings (?) or radius or something like that? The HE does damage to a bigger radius and the AP has more damage just in the point the shell hits?

Me wants 18" deck gun!

Would probably rip the gun off the deck after firing.

07-03-08, 05:56 PM

The torpedoes do occasionally come around, and don't think your the only one who couldn't avoid it, I've been on the Attack map and watched it start its turn of doom, started diving (from surface), and still hit myself, it's just not easy to avoid. They actually did that during the war. The USS Tang sunk herself when a torpedo cam around.

As far as MK14's detonating early I believe it does have to do with firing them close together, I always count out 3-5 seconds before firing again.

When you get the MK18 (German G7e Knockoffs) you'll see a drastic improvement in reliability from your torpedoes.

Arclight · 07-03-08, 06:03 PM

And let's not forget the notoriously unreliable magnetic trigger. Especially early war you have more chance it will detonate premature or not at all then actually functioning properly. AFAIK should be fixed late '43.

CollateralDamage · 07-04-08, 02:11 PM

Ah lovely. Thank you for the advice. I'm still stuck with the Mk. 14 torps but I'll try and manage.

Anyone know about the sub info and the graphics questions still?

I actually tested the deck gun yesterday when I had enough time to play. The 4"50 AP round does not make a hole in the hull of a ship BUT the HE round does. And interestingly enough I think there's a limit in how many holes there can be in a ship model. Because the first three or four shots made the graphical hole effect but after that, nada.

Macdaddy4738 · 07-05-08, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynx2069

The torpedoes do occasionally come around, and don't think your the only one who couldn't avoid it, I've been on the Attack map and watched it start its turn of doom, started diving (from surface), and still hit myself, it's just not easy to avoid. They actually did that during the war. The USS Tang sunk herself when a torpedo cam around.

During WWII were there no failsafe's on torpedos as there are today?

I know that if the call comes out of a hot running torpedo the Skipper immediately turns 180 degrees to trigger the fail safe. And I know they had that technology as early as the 1950s

John Channing · 07-05-08, 07:34 AM

Nope. That's what got the Tang.

JCC

MDV_4life · 07-05-08, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by John Channing

Nope. That's what got the Tang.

JCC

How do you do the 360? I would like to see this happen for fun :d

Cheers

Arclight · 07-05-08, 10:45 AM

Happens by accident, AFAIK error in torpedo gyro. Haven't seen it myself yet, running PE3+NSM. Might be something added by TMO or RFB, don't know for sure.

CollateralDamage; for info on sub classes, just search wiki.

for example Gato-class: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_class_submarine

Sorry, don't know about the graphics thingy.

07-03-08, 04:46 AM	#1
CollateralDamage Seaman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kador region, Shemah solar system Posts: 32 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Deck gun, torpedo, sub detail and graphics question ? First the deck gun damage. I use the 3 50 Deck Gun quite a lot to finish those pesky merchants who didn't want to go down under from max two torpedoes. Then The Navy offered me a Gato-class sub with a 4 50 Deck Gun. And I noticed that with the 4 50 Deck Gun when I hit a ship it makes a hole in the ship!! BUT then I noticed that it doesn't do the bloody holes in all the ships or everywhere on the ship where I hit it. Is there a detailed document explaining when do the nice holes appear on the ship or is it a bug/glitch from running mods that enhance some ship models but not all? Is it just me or does the Mk.14 torpedo like to have a premature detonation in rough seas in 15-26 feet? I had THREE of those splode in ONE attack. Fourth did hit the ship though. And I've had TWO Mk.14 torpedoes do a 360 after firing and hitting myself. Where can I find information about the differences between the submarine classes? Ie. Gato and Gar for example (Like speeds, depths, torp tube amounts etc. In SH3 those could be seen in the museum/gallery) ? What does the "Use normal ship models" graphic setting do exactly? I have mods that modify atleast some of the ship models so should I tic it off? I have everything else on except the volymetric fog, glare and postpro thingies (The 2nd and 3rd top ones on the left colum in the settings screen). Do I miss any nice effects with those off? I don't mean weather etc. but like details in ship damages or detail? :hmm:

07-03-08, 06:03 PM	#5
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	And let's not forget the notoriously unreliable magnetic trigger. Especially early war you have more chance it will detonate premature or not at all then actually functioning properly. AFAIK should be fixed late '43. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

07-05-08, 10:45 AM	#10
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Happens by accident, AFAIK error in torpedo gyro. Haven't seen it myself yet, running PE3+NSM. Might be something added by TMO or RFB, don't know for sure. CollateralDamage; for info on sub classes, just search wiki. for example Gato-class: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_class_submarine Sorry, don't know about the graphics thingy. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

07-03-08, 07:44 AM	#3
CollateralDamage Seaman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kador region, Shemah solar system Posts: 32 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Okey I'll keep that in mind. The 360 torpedo really puzzled me. Because I fired two torpedoes. The second went according to the firing solution but the first one... gone berserk. After firing them i switched to external view and wondered why the the torpedo turned hard starboard right after it left the tube and after watching it a few seconds I realised that it WILL hit me but it was a bit too late to try and avoid it. I also found a post after reading through 3 pages of threads. The post was by DrBreast and according to him for a visual damage effect to appear the damage you do must surpass the ships armor rating (?). So if you shoot a gun with 10 damage and you have 25 armor rating you won't see any visual damage BUT you do take damage. But it's not visible. Is this what's happening with the 3"50 vs. 4"50 deck guns? The 4"50 just has that little bit bigger punch to make them lovely holes in the hull of ships that it's capable of penetrating? And do the AP and HE shells have different damage ratings (?) or radius or something like that? The HE does damage to a bigger radius and the AP has more damage just in the point the shell hits? Me wants 18" deck gun! Would probably rip the gun off the deck after firing.

07-03-08, 05:56 PM	#4
Lynx2069 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The torpedoes do occasionally come around, and don't think your the only one who couldn't avoid it, I've been on the Attack map and watched it start its turn of doom, started diving (from surface), and still hit myself, it's just not easy to avoid. They actually did that during the war. The USS Tang sunk herself when a torpedo cam around. As far as MK14's detonating early I believe it does have to do with firing them close together, I always count out 3-5 seconds before firing again. When you get the MK18 (German G7e Knockoffs) you'll see a drastic improvement in reliability from your torpedoes.

07-04-08, 02:11 PM	#6
CollateralDamage Seaman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kador region, Shemah solar system Posts: 32 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ah lovely. Thank you for the advice. I'm still stuck with the Mk. 14 torps but I'll try and manage. Anyone know about the sub info and the graphics questions still? I actually tested the deck gun yesterday when I had enough time to play. The 4"50 AP round does not make a hole in the hull of a ship BUT the HE round does. And interestingly enough I think there's a limit in how many holes there can be in a ship model. Because the first three or four shots made the graphical hole effect but after that, nada.

07-05-08, 07:34 AM	#8
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Nope. That's what got the Tang. JCC