MDC Pulls out of Zimbabwe run-off "election"

[Steel_Tomb]

Just saw this on Yahoo: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200806...n-43a8d4f.html

Looks like that bastard Mugabe will stay in power after all, and I would also bet that the rest of the world will now say "this is a very bad thing Mugabe is a very bad person...." and then do absolutely NOTHING. Its not as if the SA government will do anything, they couldn't give a **** about Zimbabwe.

[Schroeder]

That was to be expected.

[Platapus]

Elections don't mean much if the results don't matter

[Jimbuna]

Not suprised and don't expect any other country to do anything about it.......unless they find oil there

[Von Tonner]

Our president is a disgrace to our country. South Africa, as the biggest economic and military powerhouse in Africa could bring Mugabe to heal within 24 hours tops. We could switch off the lights in Zimbabwe as we supply it with electrical power. All rail would come to a stop as we just recall all our rolling stock. We close our borders denying access to our ports and goods. We call up our loans and when these are not met we attach any and all assets of theirs we can get our hands on. And last but not least, as a member of the UN Security Council, we pull our diplomatic head out of our proverbial a**e and stop siding with Russia in protecting him.

Having said all that, I am not sure pulling out of the election was a wise move. I say that simply because that is exactly what Mugabe wants - and doing what he wants cannot be good thing.

[Skybird]

At times I consder sending assassins a valid political option. It cannot be that millions have to suffer becasue of the greed of a cruel old man. Ruling that out is not democratic or humanistic, but cynical.

We should stop conventional develoepemnt aid, becasue it helps to raise and foster corruption throughout Africa. Africa has plenty of fertile land to feed all the people living there. But it is the corrupt gangaster clans stealing it and preventing distribution. And they do the same with developement aide, both in food and money. that way, we become guilty ourselves. Instead we should shift the agriculutral trad eonto a fair basis. Anything beyond that we should only do once African people have dealt with their corrupt leaders and dictators. Of course, one would need to get the EU, the Us, the chinese and the russians all together into that boat. since that is highly unrealistic, corruption will stay, people will continue to suffer, the West will continue to pay money in developement aid to ease it's bad subcontious feelings - and by doing so we will continue to cripple the local agriculture with our cheap imports that kick local farmers out of business, and we will be guilty of actively supporting the corruption and the suffering - by developement aid.

Send assassins, or turn your back on Africa. That would at least be more honest. Developement aid causes havoc over there. Since some years you can hear a gropwing canon of African politiaicnas themselves saying that. they do not want aid. They want fair trade - THAT would be developement aid leading to a fostering of local farming, food production and modeate wealth a slong as local gangsters would not be tolerated, but shot.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

At times I consder sending assassins a valid political option. It cannot be that millions have to suffer becasue of the greed of a cruel old man. Ruling that out is not democratic or humanistic, but cynical.

Funny that. I was watching the news the other night and turned to my wife and said, "Why doesn't somebody just bloody put a bullet through that thugs head." I'm somewhat ashamed to admit to that thought because I really meant what I said. You could say it is just the frustration of hearing over and over again of how little is being done to stop this guy get away with thuggery, politcal violence, intimidation, and of course murder.

The most frustrating thing to watch about this whole thing would have to be the almost total impotence and inaction of the African nations in dealing with this problem within their own backyard. No more is this sad situation highlighted than by the South Arican President Thabo Mbeki. President Mbeki almost sickens me as much as that thug Mugabe himself.

[STEED]

I want to see his head chopped off.

Once again that evil swine wins the day and laughs at the rest of the world.

[Jimbuna]

I think the sight of a headless Mugabe would be an even more repugnant sight than the one with the head......but something should/must be done to rid the world of this inhumane despot.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

You could say it is just the frustration

When it comes to such measuress, you can always safely assume I am absolutely serious and do not act by emotional frustration. For me, the option I pointed at is a calmy considered reasonable thought. I strongly believe that you damage yourself when issuing death sentences in a state of emotional arousal. Call it creation of bad karma, if you want. If you think you can decide in a state of emotion, you are wrong - you get decided. Gangsters like Mugabe are in the way of the well-being of millions of people. They must be removed for the sake of the latter. Logic says so. Reason says so. Love for thy next says so. Conclusion: kill them, when nothing else seem to work.

[Von Tonner]

Very interesting article here on whether a USA President can order the assassination of a foreign individual. If I understand it correctly, he can.

http://www.newsaic.com/mwassassin.html

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

but something should/must be done to rid the world of this inhumane despot.

Never will happen.

Have they got........

Oil

Minerals

Strategic Land

Other commonalties

...........No

[DeepIron]

http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/opinion319.18190.html

"In a Democracy, people get the government they deserve"... Sorry folks, but this seems to be a "universal truth" on this planet... If/when the Zimbabwean people get really fed up with a despot like Mugabe, they'll find a way to replace him...

As long as the people allow a thug like Mugabe to remain in office, the situation in Zimbabwe won't improve IMO...

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by STEED

Never will happen.

Have they got........

Oil

Minerals

Strategic Land

Other commonalties

...........No

Actually the country is quite rich in minerals. For example, it has the world's largest reserves in platinum - after South Africa. It has gold, copper and a host of other much sought after minerals. It is not for nothing that China is bankrolling Mugabe.

Found this interesting too:

"The bio-diesel plant, according to the paper, has the capacity to produce 100 million litres of diesel annually if fully operational according to the government mouthpiece. The plant, which processes jatropha, cotton seed, sunflower and soya, among others, to produce bio-diesel, is a joint venture between the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe and Youn Woo Investments of South Korea.
World first
Zimbabwe also scored big by being the the first country in the world to produce bio-diesel with a bio-purity level of virtually 100%.
Germany has a bio-purity level of 75% while other European countries range from 2% to 20%."

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Actually the country is quite rich in minerals. For example, it has the world's largest reserves in platinum - after South Africa. It has gold, copper and a host of other much sought after minerals. It is not for nothing that China is bankrolling Mugabe.

Found this interesting too:

"The bio-diesel plant, according to the paper, has the capacity to produce 100 million litres of diesel annually if fully operational according to the government mouthpiece. The plant, which processes jatropha, cotton seed, sunflower and soya, among others, to produce bio-diesel, is a joint venture between the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe and Youn Woo Investments of South Korea.
World first
Zimbabwe also scored big by being the the first country in the world to produce bio-diesel with a bio-purity level of virtually 100%.
Germany has a bio-purity level of 75% while other European countries range from 2% to 20%."

I stand corrected.

So why has the world not gone in there to over throw this swine?