General Motors to shutter most production of SUVs and pickups

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...560113,00.html

The innocence of climbing gas prices - and no debate about global warming even needed to make people change their minds.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...560113,00.html

The innocence of climbing gas prices - and no debate about global warming even needed to make people change their minds.

I blame the GW alarmist crowd for our high gas prices too. We will get you all in the end. :p

-S

[NEON DEON]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I blame the GW alarmist crowd for our high gas prices too. We will get you all in the end. :p

-S

GW?

George W. ?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

GW?

George W. ?

Global Warming.

And i bet someone on this site believes that aliens made Bush up the gas prices too, so maybe it could go both ways.

-S

[Tchocky]

How have the "GW alarmist crowd" raised gas prices?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

How have the "GW alarmist crowd" raised gas prices?

Yes. The tree huggers have in more ways than one. Do some research on it. Might tick you off a bit though.

-S

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yes. The tree huggers have in more ways than one. Do some research on it. Might tick you off a bit though.

-S

How about you, for a change, provide us with evidence, instead of just being a tease?


I don't know about the US of A, in Austria it really is like that, although it's a rather half-assed attempt, raising the taxes on fuel happens almost every year, when there's some hole to shut in the budget, and last year in the name of GW. But as far as I know there isn't nearly as much taxation on fuel in the US of A, and the price of a barrel of crude oil is much more of an influencing factor on the prices at the pump. And I think the prices of crude oil aren't influenced by the GW crowd but rather speculants lately.

[AVGWarhawk]

GM has been a failing company for many years now. This looks to be like forward thinking were SUV and large pick up trucks will not be sold in any great numbers. With gas going up and it will stay were it is because they have seen we will pay these whacked prices, gas guzzlers will be a losing proposition for GM. Most of what they build is a losing proposition. I see GM dealships closing all the time because the are not big sellers on the market. Many years ago their quality went down hill and consumers began to notice. Specifically when Japanese cars hit our market. These cars lasted and ran like clock. GM has not been able to loose that stigmata of poor quality. There is a reason American car manufactures do comparison test with Japanese manufactures. They are still attempting to get the "quality product" back in their corner. I certainly will not purchase a GM product again.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

How about you, for a change, provide us with evidence, instead of just being a tease?


I don't know about the US of A, in Austria it really is like that, although it's a rather half-assed attempt, raising the taxes on fuel happens almost every year, when there's some hole to shut in the budget, and last year in the name of GW. But as far as I know there isn't nearly as much taxation on fuel in the US of A, and the price of a barrel of crude oil is much more of an influencing factor on the prices at the pump. And I think the prices of crude oil aren't influenced by the GW crowd but rather speculants lately.

I always give you evidence or a base to shoot from.

If you need help on Americans, check the laws on drilling off our coasts, both in the Atlantic, and the Gulf, the ban on oil extractions from our tar sands, the ban on oil shale from Utah, the bans on drilling in Alaska, and the hurdles and general impossibility of opening coal to gasoline refineries due to possible GW!!! Crazy! We have 300 years of gasoline capability in this country, but we can't touch a single pint of it! All in the name of tree hugger alarmists. We have more gasoline capabilities withour own natural resources than dozens of Saudi Arabia's. Coal to gas alone could account for 250 years worth by itself.

Sorry to harp on it, but I'm not real happy about it as you can see.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

I was curious about this oil shale junk so I did a little research.

Low end estimates put oil shale at about 1.5 trillion barrels, high end being 2.6. Being conservative and using the low end estimate (using 21 million barrels a day US consumption) gives just under 200 years of US domestic supply. Wowzas! Didn't know oil shale was that big a deal.

I think profitability concerns for oil companies have just as much to do with the hesitancy to extract oil shale as treehugger's concerns do. They are going to wait until prices stay high long enough for this to be justified.

PD

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

I was curious about this oil shale junk so I did a little research.

Low end estimates put oil shale at about 1.5 trillion barrels, high end being 2.6. Being conservative and using the low end estimate (using 21 million barrels a day US consumption) gives just under 200 years of US domestic supply. Wowzas! Didn't know oil shale was that big a deal.

I think profitability concerns for oil companies have just as much to do with the hesitancy to extract oil shale as treehugger's concerns do. They are going to wait until prices stay high long enough for this to be justified.

PD

To extract shale oil is very expensive. Gas prices will be the same, but, we will be less dependant on OPEC.


I'm with Subman, drill the Gulf of Mexico....everyone else is!!!!

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I always give you evidence or a base to shoot from.

If you need help on Americans, check the laws on drilling off our coasts, both in the Atlantic, and the Gulf, the ban on oil extractions from our tar sands, the ban on oil shale from Utah, the bans on drilling in Alaska, and the hurdles and general impossibility of opening coal to gasoline refineries due to possible GW!!! Crazy! We have 300 years of gasoline capability in this country, but we can't touch a single pint of it! All in the name of tree hugger alarmists. We have more gasoline capabilities withour own natural resources than dozens of Saudi Arabia's. Coal to gas alone could account for 250 years worth by itself.

Sorry to harp on it, but I'm not real happy about it as you can see.

-S

Coal to gas for 250 years? I don't think so, according to the American Coal Foundation the coal reserves of the US would hold up 245 years, if used at the same rate it is now... with a yield of about 50% of gas from the coal, and of course increasing demand of coal, I don't think it'll hold up that long.