Torps running wide, any ideas?

Vannevar · 05-26-08, 02:44 PM

Hi All,

Just need to pick the collective brain to see if what Im experiencing is something with an easy fix that Im missing, or actually a bug somewhere along the line.

Running 1.5 with PE3.3, RFB1.5 and RSRD on top.

The only change I've made is to undo RFB's hardwired difficulty settings - Im a casual gamer at the moment and just dont have time to do full manual targeting.

The game was playing great for a while, sank myself a heavy cruiser but ran out of time before I could end around for the other one, so saved the game . Returning to the game the next day, upon maneuvering into ideal attack positions, I'm finding that torps, all of them, are running about 30-40 degrees port of where they should be going.

Yep, the Position keeper is turned off, spread angle is at 0, yet no matter whether I use forward or aft tubes, the torps pick a track that is way off.

I thought they might have been actually running the mirror image of the correct track, so tested by maneuvering to 180 of the cruiser and firing a zero gyro angle straight to his stern, but nope, off go the torps at aprox 330.

Ive tried using the spread angle, the torps respond correctly to that, but bassed on their erroneous base track.

Has anyone come accross this before or knows of a fix? I have spent quite a while forum trawling but no luck, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be very much apreciated.

Except by the crew on that second cruiser perhaps...

Cheers

Schroeder · 05-26-08, 03:32 PM

I have the same problem with Mk 14s since I use RFB. Any fixes would be welcome.

Vannevar · 05-26-08, 03:34 PM

*Phew* So glad its not just me.

LukeFF · 05-27-08, 01:25 AM

Still working on a fix for it...

Schroeder · 05-27-08, 04:45 AM

The problem is that I use Sh IV 1.4. So I don't think I'll get a fix for the old RFB version...

Besides, I think I have found a solution. Using the Subschool torpedoattack mission I figured out that one has to add two additional knots to the targets speed (approached in a 90 degrees angel). So if one enters 10 knots into the TDC instead of the 8 knots the cruiser is actually running then it gets hit pretty exactly where one aimed at.

I already had to add 1 - 1,5 knots (depending on calm or heavy sea) to the Mk10 to make it hit in previous campaigns (without RFB). I think the Mk14 needs an additional 2-3 knots to hit its desired target.
I usually fire from a 90 degrees angel and a distance of less than 1000 yards.

But I only tested this briefly yesterday so this might not be accurate.

Fincuan · 05-27-08, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

The problem is that I use Sh IV 1.4. So I don't think I'll get a fix for the old RFB version...

The problem the OP described is different than yours. It was introduced in the newest version of RFB, and makes the torpedos miss by a huge margin by making them go left(port) 30-40 degrees. It usually occurs after loading a career save, so you might not even see it in the Sub School missions.

Schroeder · 05-27-08, 06:23 AM

Odd. As I said I have pretty much the same problem using RFB 031408. I think I also loaded a savegame and when I fired, the torps went way off to the port (that's why I tried to increase the speed setting for the TDC).

But you are right, I think in the subschool mission the torpedos didn't miss by such a big angel as they did out on patrol...

I'll have to test this further with ships coming from starboard.

Fincuan · 05-27-08, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Odd. As I said I have pretty much the same problem using RFB 031408.

Come to think of it, I also remember people reporting this a few months back. At that time I was only running TMO, so it's entirely possible I just overlooked the whole thing because it didn't happen with TMO. It seems though that the problem is now a lot more commong than before.

Vannevar · 05-27-08, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Still working on a fix for it...

Good to hear that its been noticed and on the proverbial drawing board. Thanks for all your team's hard work.

Schroeder · 05-27-08, 01:56 PM

O.K. I tested it now and Fincuan is right. This problem appears only after loading a save-game.

Is there a way one can remove the torpedo affecting data from RFB but keep the rest? It would be very sad if I had to give up this great mod because of this.

Schroeder · 05-28-08, 04:31 PM

O.K., I found a provisional solution. I deinstalled RFB and removed the torpedo_US.sim and torpedo_US.zon files from its library directory. After that I reinstalled RFB and the problem did not appear again so far. (But make a backup copy of the files since I have only tested this during one patrol and I'm not really a modder...)

LukeFF · 05-28-08, 04:35 PM

The fix for this has been found and solved. Look for a new RFB release shortly.

Vannevar · 05-29-08, 10:09 AM

That was fast, thought SH4 was going to be in dry dock for a while. Thanks again to you and the team.

[PS: Say, don't suppose you've thought of adding a feature involving crashing into underwater rocks, getting towed 4,000 miles back to San Fran, then facing court martial? Perhaps a negative compartmental ability for a navigator...

]

Wilcke · 05-29-08, 10:59 AM

RFB 1.5 05282008 is up and ready for download. Go get it.

05-26-08, 02:44 PM	#1
Vannevar Seaman Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Deepest, darkest Wales. (Thats the place, not the biological!) Posts: 42 Downloads: 191 Uploads: 0	Torps running wide, any ideas? Hi All, Just need to pick the collective brain to see if what Im experiencing is something with an easy fix that Im missing, or actually a bug somewhere along the line. Running 1.5 with PE3.3, RFB1.5 and RSRD on top. The only change I've made is to undo RFB's hardwired difficulty settings - Im a casual gamer at the moment and just dont have time to do full manual targeting. The game was playing great for a while, sank myself a heavy cruiser but ran out of time before I could end around for the other one, so saved the game . Returning to the game the next day, upon maneuvering into ideal attack positions, I'm finding that torps, all of them, are running about 30-40 degrees port of where they should be going. Yep, the Position keeper is turned off, spread angle is at 0, yet no matter whether I use forward or aft tubes, the torps pick a track that is way off. I thought they might have been actually running the mirror image of the correct track, so tested by maneuvering to 180 of the cruiser and firing a zero gyro angle straight to his stern, but nope, off go the torps at aprox 330. Ive tried using the spread angle, the torps respond correctly to that, but bassed on their erroneous base track. Has anyone come accross this before or knows of a fix? I have spent quite a while forum trawling but no luck, so if anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be very much apreciated. Except by the crew on that second cruiser perhaps... Cheers

05-27-08, 01:25 AM	#4
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Still working on a fix for it... __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader

05-28-08, 04:35 PM	#12
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	The fix for this has been found and solved. Look for a new RFB release shortly. __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader

05-29-08, 10:59 AM	#14
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05-26-08, 03:32 PM	#2
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I have the same problem with Mk 14s since I use RFB. Any fixes would be welcome.

05-26-08, 03:34 PM	#3
Vannevar Seaman Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Deepest, darkest Wales. (Thats the place, not the biological!) Posts: 42 Downloads: 191 Uploads: 0	Phew So glad its not just me.

05-27-08, 04:45 AM	#5
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	The problem is that I use Sh IV 1.4. So I don't think I'll get a fix for the old RFB version... Besides, I think I have found a solution. Using the Subschool torpedoattack mission I figured out that one has to add two additional knots to the targets speed (approached in a 90 degrees angel). So if one enters 10 knots into the TDC instead of the 8 knots the cruiser is actually running then it gets hit pretty exactly where one aimed at. I already had to add 1 - 1,5 knots (depending on calm or heavy sea) to the Mk10 to make it hit in previous campaigns (without RFB). I think the Mk14 needs an additional 2-3 knots to hit its desired target. I usually fire from a 90 degrees angel and a distance of less than 1000 yards. But I only tested this briefly yesterday so this might not be accurate.

05-27-08, 06:23 AM	#7
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Odd. As I said I have pretty much the same problem using RFB 031408. I think I also loaded a savegame and when I fired, the torps went way off to the port (that's why I tried to increase the speed setting for the TDC). But you are right, I think in the subschool mission the torpedos didn't miss by such a big angel as they did out on patrol... I'll have to test this further with ships coming from starboard.

05-27-08, 01:56 PM	#10
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	O.K. I tested it now and Fincuan is right. This problem appears only after loading a save-game. Is there a way one can remove the torpedo affecting data from RFB but keep the rest? It would be very sad if I had to give up this great mod because of this.

05-28-08, 04:31 PM	#11
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	O.K., I found a provisional solution. I deinstalled RFB and removed the torpedo_US.sim and torpedo_US.zon files from its library directory. After that I reinstalled RFB and the problem did not appear again so far. (But make a backup copy of the files since I have only tested this during one patrol and I'm not really a modder...)

05-29-08, 10:09 AM	#13
Vannevar Seaman Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Deepest, darkest Wales. (Thats the place, not the biological!) Posts: 42 Downloads: 191 Uploads: 0	That was fast, thought SH4 was going to be in dry dock for a while. Thanks again to you and the team. [PS: Say, don't suppose you've thought of adding a feature involving crashing into underwater rocks, getting towed 4,000 miles back to San Fran, then facing court martial? Perhaps a negative compartmental ability for a navigator... ]