Can a judge save the universe?

GlobalExplorer · 05-19-08, 03:06 PM

Spotted at: http://www.nixlab.net/blog/?p=71

"CERN is an acronym for The European Organization for Nuclear Research. They currently have the prestige of owning the worlds largest particle physics laboratory which is located on the Swiss/French border. This is a title previously held by the Americans at Fermilab located near Chicago.

Apparently 2 scientists are suing the organization for downplaying the possibility that the CERN particle collider could possibly create a black hole which would devour the earth, and then the solar system; and that their is also a slight possibility that the lab could also create something called "strange" matter which could in turn overtake the real matter of our corner in the universe and of course render us all extinct. Be sure and add Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho to your prayers this evening for doing their part in attempting to save humanity."

Read the full article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/sc...in&oref=slogin

DeepIron · 05-19-08, 03:23 PM

Interesting article.

Well, if it does go wrong, a black hole should make the whole process quick and painless if current theories prevail...

I'd rather go that way than wonder when a bomb is going to go off in my neighborhood, or what kind of "invincible germ" the biologists are going to cook up and infect the planet with...

Letum · 05-19-08, 03:26 PM

That Atlas unit is something else!

Tchocky · 05-19-08, 03:27 PM

This all seems very silly.
One would imagine that the guys who know how to build these things will also take such eschatological concerns into acount. Bah.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/op...in&oref=slogin :P

Oh, and every time I think about what they're doing at CERN, my mental jaw drops. A passing acquaintance (an astrophysicist) is working there, I must kind out what he's up to.

SUBMAN1 · 05-19-08, 03:40 PM

I don't think there is any real danger. The singularity will be magnetically suspended rendering it harmless, as well as simply shutting off the power eliminates it. However, if you control gravity, you also control time... What is the scarier proposition knowing this?

-S

kurtz · 05-19-08, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Spotted at: http://www.nixlab.net/blog/?p=71

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Apparently 2 scientists are suing the organization for downplaying the possibility that the CERN particle collider could possibly ..... Be sure and add Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho to your prayers this evening for doing their part in attempting to save humanity."

I read this sometime agoand IIRC when they say scientists they are in fact the god botherers version of scientists, I think it's the head gardener and his mate...remeber these lackluster twits in your prayers says enough I think.

SUBMAN1 · 05-19-08, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kurtz

I read this sometime agoand IIRC when they say scientists they are in fact the god botherers version of scientists, I think it's the head gardener and his mate...remeber these lackluster twits in your prayers says enough I think.

Has nothign to do with that. There is a very real danger of a non properly conatined singularity gaining mass. That is the danger. if it did, then we could all end up dead, so it is not something to shove under the carpet by any means.

-S

Skybird · 05-19-08, 05:12 PM

Well, why not this way. Nothing lasts forever, and human civilisation and developement of mind seems to have been gone beyond climax point anyway. Since our perception of what we call cosmos is just inside our mind anyway, the idea of this mind being swallowed up by some creation of this mind itself, has a somewhat ironic charm. at least it is more original, and has more drama than just a boring nuclear war, or a global pandemic infection - all this stuff Hollywood already has told us. But human mind being swallowed by its own creation - hehe, has anyone evr considered that the opposite might be the case and we might end up with Romulan bird of prey (that use a singularity core as energy source for their warp-rives)?

BTW, this is a heck of a good and intense movie:
http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Earth-Br...1235496&sr=8-1

Maybe the best in its genre.

V.C. Sniper · 05-19-08, 05:15 PM

I'm excited beyond words on the commisioning of the LHC! 3-4 months before the first collision event takes place.

mrbeast · 05-19-08, 05:19 PM

IIRC aren't the odds of a black hole or singularity occuring astronomically high?

SUBMAN1 · 05-19-08, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbeast

IIRC aren't the odds of a black hole or singularity occuring astronomically high?

Pretty much a guarantee. So yes is the answer to your question.

-S

05-19-08, 05:56 PM

Sooooo...what you basically have here are a couple of guys in tinfoil hats

What I like was the the bio bits on the second page at the end of the piece on Sancho "he probably lives in Barcelona said Mr Wagner" ,He does a joint suit with the guy and he doesn't even know where he lives

MothBalls · 05-19-08, 06:50 PM

Take a step back and think about it like this.

They really don't know exactly what will happen when they do the first collision(s). If they did know, they wouldn't need to do them. Right?

There's a ton of articles, videos, and whatnot on this topic out there. I've been reading and watching for a couple years. For me it's a coin toss. There's a 50% chance it will destroy the universe, and a 50% chance it won't. There doesn't seem to be anything in between.

We'll know in a few months, or not. If it does all go to hell, I wonder how much time we'll have to point fingers and say "you bastards were wrong".

Platapus · 05-19-08, 07:16 PM

Has anyone ever seen one of these Black Holes? Have we detected one and measured one or are they still in the realm of theoretical mathematics?

Have we seen a Black Hole being "made"? Do we know what makes Black Holes?

How do these scientists know how Black Holes are formed and whether we puny pathetic humans can generate anywhere near the energy to grow one?

I hate when scientists use the word "possible" Pretty much anything and everything is possible. It is really a useless scientific term and only serves to stir up emotional responses.

It is possible for Sandra Bullock to come over to my house and give me a nice snarlin.

Possible yes. Probable? Alas no

Pain in the Arse Reporter: Dr. Distinguished Scientist, please tell me, is it possible for this nuclear reactor to spring up, propel itself through the air and insert its reactor core up my butt?

Dr. D.S.: Uh well, I never thought about that. but yes I guess that would be possible.

PitA Reporter: There you go, our leading scientist claims that this nuclear reactor is a potential threat to our anuses.

Dr. D.S. : Uh that's not what I meant.

PitAR: Sorry, Dr, we are out of time. Thanks for your expert advice.

CCIP · 05-19-08, 07:20 PM

"Hey Gordon, you left this at Black Mesa"

No worries, the crowbar dude will save us :p

05-19-08, 03:06 PM	#1
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Can a judge save the universe? Spotted at: http://www.nixlab.net/blog/?p=71 "CERN is an acronym for The European Organization for Nuclear Research. They currently have the prestige of owning the worlds largest particle physics laboratory which is located on the Swiss/French border. This is a title previously held by the Americans at Fermilab located near Chicago. Apparently 2 scientists are suing the organization for downplaying the possibility that the CERN particle collider could possibly create a black hole which would devour the earth, and then the solar system; and that their is also a slight possibility that the lab could also create something called "strange" matter which could in turn overtake the real matter of our corner in the universe and of course render us all extinct. Be sure and add Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho to your prayers this evening for doing their part in attempting to save humanity." Read the full article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/sc...in&oref=slogin __________________

05-19-08, 03:23 PM	#2
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Interesting article. Well, if it does go wrong, a black hole should make the whole process quick and painless if current theories prevail... I'd rather go that way than wonder when a bomb is going to go off in my neighborhood, or what kind of "invincible germ" the biologists are going to cook up and infect the planet with... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

05-19-08, 03:26 PM	#3
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	That Atlas unit is something else! __________________

05-19-08, 03:27 PM	#4
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	This all seems very silly. One would imagine that the guys who know how to build these things will also take such eschatological concerns into acount. Bah. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/op...in&oref=slogin :P Oh, and every time I think about what they're doing at CERN, my mental jaw drops. A passing acquaintance (an astrophysicist) is working there, I must kind out what he's up to. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

05-19-08, 03:40 PM	#5
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't think there is any real danger. The singularity will be magnetically suspended rendering it harmless, as well as simply shutting off the power eliminates it. However, if you control gravity, you also control time... What is the scarier proposition knowing this? -S __________________

05-19-08, 05:12 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,605 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Well, why not this way. Nothing lasts forever, and human civilisation and developement of mind seems to have been gone beyond climax point anyway. Since our perception of what we call cosmos is just inside our mind anyway, the idea of this mind being swallowed up by some creation of this mind itself, has a somewhat ironic charm. at least it is more original, and has more drama than just a boring nuclear war, or a global pandemic infection - all this stuff Hollywood already has told us. But human mind being swallowed by its own creation - hehe, has anyone evr considered that the opposite might be the case and we might end up with Romulan bird of prey (that use a singularity core as energy source for their warp-rives)? BTW, this is a heck of a good and intense movie: http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Earth-Br...1235496&sr=8-1 Maybe the best in its genre. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-19-08, 05:15 PM	#9
V.C. Sniper Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I'm excited beyond words on the commisioning of the LHC! 3-4 months before the first collision event takes place. __________________ I only need one torpedo.

05-19-08, 05:19 PM	#10
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	IIRC aren't the odds of a black hole or singularity occuring astronomically high? __________________

05-19-08, 05:56 PM	#12
darius359au Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Sooooo...what you basically have here are a couple of guys in tinfoil hats What I like was the the bio bits on the second page at the end of the piece on Sancho "he probably lives in Barcelona said Mr Wagner" ,He does a joint suit with the guy and he doesn't even know where he lives

05-19-08, 06:50 PM	#13
MothBalls Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Take a step back and think about it like this. They really don't know exactly what will happen when they do the first collision(s). If they did know, they wouldn't need to do them. Right? There's a ton of articles, videos, and whatnot on this topic out there. I've been reading and watching for a couple years. For me it's a coin toss. There's a 50% chance it will destroy the universe, and a 50% chance it won't. There doesn't seem to be anything in between. We'll know in a few months, or not. If it does all go to hell, I wonder how much time we'll have to point fingers and say "you bastards were wrong".

05-19-08, 07:16 PM	#14
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Has anyone ever seen one of these Black Holes? Have we detected one and measured one or are they still in the realm of theoretical mathematics? Have we seen a Black Hole being "made"? Do we know what makes Black Holes? How do these scientists know how Black Holes are formed and whether we puny pathetic humans can generate anywhere near the energy to grow one? I hate when scientists use the word "possible" Pretty much anything and everything is possible. It is really a useless scientific term and only serves to stir up emotional responses. It is possible for Sandra Bullock to come over to my house and give me a nice snarlin. Possible yes. Probable? Alas no Pain in the Arse Reporter: Dr. Distinguished Scientist, please tell me, is it possible for this nuclear reactor to spring up, propel itself through the air and insert its reactor core up my butt? Dr. D.S.: Uh well, I never thought about that. but yes I guess that would be possible. PitA Reporter: There you go, our leading scientist claims that this nuclear reactor is a potential threat to our anuses. Dr. D.S. : Uh that's not what I meant. PitAR: Sorry, Dr, we are out of time. Thanks for your expert advice. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-19-08, 07:20 PM	#15
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	"Hey Gordon, you left this at Black Mesa" No worries, the crowbar dude will save us :p __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)