Patrol Areas

Tebok · 04-15-08, 02:28 PM

WHen you head out on a war patrol, its gives you an erea to patrol (marked by binoculars)

Usually, I just ignore it and go my own way (not including supply/raid/etc mission). Is there a penalty for not going to the designated area, or a bonus for doing so?

Quillan · 04-15-08, 02:36 PM

Every objective you complete gets you renown. I think it's still 500 base renown, modified by your realism percentage. Back in SH3, the formula was you got a percentage of the total renown earned during the patrol equal to .75 times your realism setting plus .25, thus you'd get 25% of the renown if you were running 0% realism, 100% renown if running 100% realism, and something in between if you had some on and some off. I don't know if that formula still holds true in SH4.

I've been assuming it's still 500 renown per objective you complete, and I've done as many as 9 objectives in one patrol, so that adds up to quite a lot of renown you might be skipping. I prefer to do an objective, radio in and get another, and repeat until I either run low on fuel or torpedoes. Sometimes if I'm close to a tender or base, I'll refit to refuel but I don't keep going in for more torps and going back out.

kylesplanet · 04-15-08, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tebok

WHen you head out on a war patrol, its gives you an erea to patrol (marked by binoculars)

Usually, I just ignore it and go my own way (not including supply/raid/etc mission). Is there a penalty for not going to the designated area, or a bonus for doing so?

If you don't complete your mission objectives, not only will you not earn much renown but you will be retired rather quickly or sent to a desk job.

M. Sarsfield · 04-15-08, 02:47 PM

It would be nice if we could implement the patrol grids that the Navy used back then. They weren't uniform squares like the Kriegsmarine grid.

peabody · 04-15-08, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tebok

WHen you head out on a war patrol, its gives you an erea to patrol (marked by binoculars)

Usually, I just ignore it and go my own way (not including supply/raid/etc mission). Is there a penalty for not going to the designated area, or a bonus for doing so?

Ya, the penalty is they stick a girlscout on your boat and she launches all your topedos.

Peabody

-Pv- · 04-15-08, 08:25 PM

You also run the risk of getting the dreaded repeat missions loop where HQ determins you are not fufilling your objectives and sends you on the same mission again and again. You also risk early retirement which might prevent you from being able to experience all the sub models and all their enhancements as well as not being able to participate through the end of the war. Once you have fufilled the initial objective and you see it checked off on the message window, you can roam freely at will if you don't radio in.

I still suggest radio in when your torps are empty and ready to go back. HQ will then instruct you to RTB. This guarentees you'll get properly rewarded for the effort you put in.
-Pv-

MonTana_Prussian · 04-15-08, 10:03 PM

I always complete the objective as quickly as possible,and them go marauding where I please,without radioing in until,as has been said,my torps are all gone.

04-16-08, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield

It would be nice if we could implement the patrol grids that the Navy used back then. They weren't uniform squares like the Kriegsmarine grid.

Hey Sarsfield

Im currently in the planning stage of making shipping lane charts for Run Silent Run Deep campaign. These could very easily include patrol grids, but i dont have the original patrol grids. I have those that were on the Valor at Sea website, but i don't know if those are correct compared to real life grids.

M. Sarsfield · 04-16-08, 08:43 AM

I remember someone posting original pictures of patrol grids on this board months ago. I don't remember who it was. Lurker, maybe, since he's the campaign guru.

aanker · 04-16-08, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav87th

Quote:

Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield

It would be nice if we could implement the patrol grids that the Navy used back then. They weren't uniform squares like the Kriegsmarine grid.

Hey Sarsfield

Im currently in the planning stage of making shipping lane charts for Run Silent Run Deep campaign. These could very easily include patrol grids, but i dont have the original patrol grids. I have those that were on the Valor at Sea website, but i don't know if those are correct compared to real life grids.

Those PZ's on Hondo's site were compiled from Silent Hunter 1's patrol zones and its traffic. According to further investigation by Jerry using: "National Geographic maps of WW II; Asia & the Pacific" Dec 1991 and another book on WW II subs, the shipping lanes used in SH1 are pretty close to realistic... with some differences. I have a small graphic he made that compares reality with the game but don't have the rights to post it. In the end SH1 had 15 PZ's in the SHCE edition in PacFlt and SoWesPac. (there were a few more we would have liked)

You could make any number of patrol zones to place patrol stars for your campaign and probably be pretty close. SH1 had a real WW II skipper as a consultant when SSI made the game which is nice.

Art

M. Sarsfield · 04-16-08, 03:12 PM

LCDR "Bud" Gruner of the USS Skate (SS-305). I thought SSI did an excellent job on that game.

Someone is still trying to make a profit from it...

http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/silenth.htm

Fincuan · 04-16-08, 03:45 PM

In 1.5 + TMO + RSRDC you can see the original patrol area names marked on the map( "Convoy College" etc) when using certain zoom levels. I'm not sure which of those adds them, but my bet is on RSRDC.

aanker · 04-16-08, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield

LCDR "Bud" Gruner of the USS Skate (SS-305). I thought SSI did an excellent job on that game.

Someone is still trying to make a profit from it...

http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/silenth.htm

Yes, Bud's reassuring voice explaining submarine warfare in the PTO was great.

I just found the Commander's Edition starting from $29.85 and still holding its value.

If we could combine the best of SH4 and SHCE wouldn't that be nice. That is what I would like to do using my meagre modding abilities. Big learning curve ahead though.... lol

Happy Hunting!

Art

M. Sarsfield · 04-16-08, 08:37 PM

Yeah, I really liked the movies that they made with him narrating. I especially liked the rantings of an old man about certain issues that bothered him as a skipper, like the DO and helmsmen not doing a very good job of maintaining the right depth.

04-15-08, 02:28 PM	#1
Tebok Watch Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Patrol Areas WHen you head out on a war patrol, its gives you an erea to patrol (marked by binoculars) Usually, I just ignore it and go my own way (not including supply/raid/etc mission). Is there a penalty for not going to the designated area, or a bonus for doing so?

04-15-08, 02:36 PM	#2
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Every objective you complete gets you renown. I think it's still 500 base renown, modified by your realism percentage. Back in SH3, the formula was you got a percentage of the total renown earned during the patrol equal to .75 times your realism setting plus .25, thus you'd get 25% of the renown if you were running 0% realism, 100% renown if running 100% realism, and something in between if you had some on and some off. I don't know if that formula still holds true in SH4. I've been assuming it's still 500 renown per objective you complete, and I've done as many as 9 objectives in one patrol, so that adds up to quite a lot of renown you might be skipping. I prefer to do an objective, radio in and get another, and repeat until I either run low on fuel or torpedoes. Sometimes if I'm close to a tender or base, I'll refit to refuel but I don't keep going in for more torps and going back out. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

04-15-08, 02:47 PM	#4
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It would be nice if we could implement the patrol grids that the Navy used back then. They weren't uniform squares like the Kriegsmarine grid. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

04-16-08, 08:43 AM	#9
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I remember someone posting original pictures of patrol grids on this board months ago. I don't remember who it was. Lurker, maybe, since he's the campaign guru. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

04-16-08, 03:12 PM	#11
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	LCDR "Bud" Gruner of the USS Skate (SS-305). I thought SSI did an excellent job on that game. Someone is still trying to make a profit from it... http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/silenth.htm __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM Last edited by M. Sarsfield; 04-16-08 at 03:29 PM.*

04-15-08, 08:25 PM	#6
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You also run the risk of getting the dreaded repeat missions loop where HQ determins you are not fufilling your objectives and sends you on the same mission again and again. You also risk early retirement which might prevent you from being able to experience all the sub models and all their enhancements as well as not being able to participate through the end of the war. Once you have fufilled the initial objective and you see it checked off on the message window, you can roam freely at will if you don't radio in. I still suggest radio in when your torps are empty and ready to go back. HQ will then instruct you to RTB. This guarentees you'll get properly rewarded for the effort you put in. -Pv-

04-15-08, 10:03 PM	#7
MonTana_Prussian Ensign Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Helena,Montana Posts: 234 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I always complete the objective as quickly as possible,and them go marauding where I please,without radioing in until,as has been said,my torps are all gone.

04-16-08, 03:45 PM	#12
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	In 1.5 + TMO + RSRDC you can see the original patrol area names marked on the map( "Convoy College" etc) when using certain zoom levels. I'm not sure which of those adds them, but my bet is on RSRDC.

04-16-08, 08:37 PM	#14
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I really liked the movies that they made with him narrating. I especially liked the rantings of an old man about certain issues that bothered him as a skipper, like the DO and helmsmen not doing a very good job of maintaining the right depth. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM