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DavyJonesFootlocker · 04-08-08, 03:12 PM

I find a Bilge Rat as a Dive Officer instead of the original officer. That don't seem right as sometimes the DO has an officer's cap. Anyway to change this?

Ducimus · 04-08-08, 03:18 PM

If i bothered to explain the design decisions involved in that, would it make a difference?

By the way, the "bildge rat" that you sometimes see with an officers cap, is a chief petty officer. In stock, they wore all kahki's with an officers cap. I changed them to kahki pants, blue shirt, and officers cap - a mix of the two so their easier to distinguish from an officer and the enlisted crewman.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 04-08-08, 03:22 PM

Yeah, it would make a difference, Duciboy.

I also find other Bilge Rats in the DO position when they relieve the watch. This time they look like deck hands. The Officer of The Deck is waaay in the back in the conning tower. Is this historically correct? I understand you made them out so they're recognizable but was this how it was?

Ducimus · 04-08-08, 03:52 PM

I did the best i could , that the confines of the game would allow.

First of all, theres only so many officers to work with on any given watch.

Secondly, given theres only so much to work with, i do not like the idea adding MORE officers or CPO's. A Top heavy crew to me is unacceptable. Then add in the fact that officers and CPO's can gain special abilities. Too many abiilties, too much efficiency. Add more officers? I don't F'ing think so! If you want a super crew, feel free to edit the subs UPC file and have an all kakhi cew for all i F'ing care, but dont expect me to do it for you!

Thirdly, The core mechanics behind crew positions are coded for uboats! There is no direct translation in the game that is the same to the needed crew positions in a fleet boat. So one is forced to shoehorn it.

Forthly, i had little choice on what to put in the DO's position since i moved the OOD to the conning tower. Since the OOD is what allows controls to the subs navigation and such, It made less sense to me to have a swabbie up in the conning tower then a Petty officer as a diving officer. Also, the CT had a couple officers in it historicallyl, so I had to make a choice between the two, guess which one went with?!

Fifthly, nobodies making you use the mod. If you don't like it, change it yourself, or use another mod and stop wasting my time.

John Channing · 04-08-08, 03:57 PM

Allow me to open this door and allow a nice cool breeze in here.

Ahhhhhhh... that's better. I am sure everyone is much cooler and calmer now.

Don't thank me... it's all part of the service.

JCC

Dowly · 04-08-08, 04:14 PM

Easy there Duc!

The man's just curious why you made it the way it is.

Jimbuna · 04-08-08, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

I find a Bilge Rat as a Dive Officer instead of the original officer. That don't seem right as sometimes the DO has an officer's cap. Anyway to change this?

I've had a look on my install and see no resemblance to any 'bilge rat' as you put it

Ducimus · 04-08-08, 04:15 PM

The only thing further i care to add to this thread, is that there is a reason why the CPO in the control room crew is who takes the DO position during battle stations. It was an asthetical compromise, because.. could it be... i was very well aware of what i was putting in the diving officer position?

Nahhhh.. no way, i just hap hazzardly place crewman willy nilly without much forethought. :rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Easy there Duc!

The man's just curious why you made it the way it is.

Looks more like im being called out to me. If theres sarchasm involved, im not seeing it.

CDR Resser · 04-08-08, 04:35 PM

As a neutral observer to this discussion, would it not be better to change the name of the thread to avoid unnecessary rancor. It certainly sounds like an accusation, the way it is titled.
Perhaps something more helpful as to the subject, such as Control Room Crew Compliment in TMO.

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

Soundman · 04-08-08, 04:36 PM

Man ! Just my opinion, but I personally could give a (bilge) rats ass about who is at what position.[pardon my french, I just couldn't resist that one] I've never paid any attention to that aspect. As long as the game plays the way I wish it would, and it does thanks to Duci, I'll never complain about such an issue. If that is the worst of our worries, compared to where we once were, we're sitting pretty good in the SH4 world !

Dowly · 04-08-08, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Soundman

Man ! Just my opinion, but I personally could give a (bilge) rats ass about who is at what position. I never paid any attention to that aspect. As long as the game plays the way I wish it would, and it does thanks to Duci, I'l never complain about such an issue. If that is the worst of our worries, compared to where we once were, we're sitting pretty good in the SH4 world !

Well it seems to bother the OP, so why not discuss about it? Wont hurt anyone.

Ducimus · 04-08-08, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDR Resser

As a neutral observer to this discussion, would it not be better to change the name of the thread to avoid unnecessary rancor. It certainly sounds like an accusation, the way it is titled.

Combine the accusatory title

With this belittling tone:

Quote:

Yeah, it would make a difference, Duciboy.

Boy?

With my heightend sense of stress enduced irritability.....

And yeah, im going to sound angry. If DavyJonesFootlocker was just being sarchastic, then i apologize for my angry tone.

This is a mole hill, not a mountain.

CDR Resser · 04-08-08, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDR Resser

As a neutral observer to this discussion, would it not be better to change the name of the thread to avoid unnecessary rancor. It certainly sounds like an accusation, the way it is titled.

Combine the accusatory title

With this belittling tone:

Quote:

Yeah, it would make a difference, Duciboy.

Boy?

With my heightend sense of stress enduced irritability.....

And yeah, im going to sound angry. If DavyJonesFootlocker was just being sarchastic, then i apologize for my angry tone.

This is a mole hill, not a mountain.

Pop a cold one, or more, tonight, Ducimus. My treat. All that stress'll kill 'ya.

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

Jimbuna · 04-08-08, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDR Resser

As a neutral observer to this discussion, would it not be better to change the name of the thread to avoid unnecessary rancor. It certainly sounds like an accusation, the way it is titled.

Combine the accusatory title

With this belittling tone:

Quote:

Yeah, it would make a difference, Duciboy.

Boy?

With my heightend sense of stress enduced irritability.....

And yeah, im going to sound angry. If DavyJonesFootlocker was just being sarchastic, then i apologize for my angry tone.

This is a mole hill, not a mountain.

I suppose the reference 'Duciboy' could be perceived as antagonistic or disrespectful....but no more than I've witnessed on other threads.

Nice mod BTW.

Ducimus · 04-08-08, 06:15 PM

Well, im tired, cranky, irritable, and in many things, im just too burnt out to care anymore. Other then that i make no excuses.

Quote:

Nice mod BTW.

Thanks.

I know one thing. Im never doing/managing a mod this large ever again. What started as a quick fix or unoffical patch to get the game playable, has turned into a "supermod" . I never planned, or intended for this mod to go as far along as it has. It just sort of grew on me. Nowadays, i guess its kinda like trying to keep a 6 foot aligator in a 4 foot fishtank. :rotfl:

04-08-08, 03:12 PM	#1
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Bilge Rat as Dive Officer? I find a Bilge Rat as a Dive Officer instead of the original officer. That don't seem right as sometimes the DO has an officer's cap. Anyway to change this? __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club Last edited by Kapitan_Phillips; 04-08-08 at 06:03 PM.

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DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Yeah, it would make a difference, Duciboy. I also find other Bilge Rats in the DO position when they relieve the watch. This time they look like deck hands. The Officer of The Deck is waaay in the back in the conning tower. Is this historically correct? I understand you made them out so they're recognizable but was this how it was? __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

04-08-08, 04:35 PM	#9
CDR Resser Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Submerged ahead Posts: 252 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	As a neutral observer to this discussion, would it not be better to change the name of the thread to avoid unnecessary rancor. It certainly sounds like an accusation, the way it is titled. Perhaps something more helpful as to the subject, such as Control Room Crew Compliment in TMO. Respectfully Submitted; CDR Resser __________________ Holy Equestrian Order of Saint John Moses Sometimes, in war, there is an inverse moral. The greater the performance, the harsher the consequence. R.H. O'Kane

04-08-08, 04:36 PM	#10
Soundman Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 617 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Man ! Just my opinion, but I personally could give a (bilge) rats ass about who is at what position.[pardon my french, I just couldn't resist that one] I've never paid any attention to that aspect. As long as the game plays the way I wish it would, and it does thanks to Duci, I'll never complain about such an issue. If that is the worst of our worries, compared to where we once were, we're sitting pretty good in the SH4 world ! Last edited by Soundman; 04-08-08 at 05:11 PM.

04-08-08, 03:18 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	If i bothered to explain the design decisions involved in that, would it make a difference? By the way, the "bildge rat" that you sometimes see with an officers cap, is a chief petty officer. In stock, they wore all kahki's with an officers cap. I changed them to kahki pants, blue shirt, and officers cap - a mix of the two so their easier to distinguish from an officer and the enlisted crewman.

04-08-08, 03:52 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I did the best i could , that the confines of the game would allow. First of all, theres only so many officers to work with on any given watch. Secondly, given theres only so much to work with, i do not like the idea adding MORE officers or CPO's. A Top heavy crew to me is unacceptable. Then add in the fact that officers and CPO's can gain special abilities. Too many abiilties, too much efficiency. Add more officers? I don't F'ing think so! If you want a super crew, feel free to edit the subs UPC file and have an all kakhi cew for all i F'ing care, but dont expect me to do it for you! Thirdly, The core mechanics behind crew positions are coded for uboats! There is no direct translation in the game that is the same to the needed crew positions in a fleet boat. So one is forced to shoehorn it. Forthly, i had little choice on what to put in the DO's position since i moved the OOD to the conning tower. Since the OOD is what allows controls to the subs navigation and such, It made less sense to me to have a swabbie up in the conning tower then a Petty officer as a diving officer. Also, the CT had a couple officers in it historicallyl, so I had to make a choice between the two, guess which one went with?! Fifthly, nobodies making you use the mod. If you don't like it, change it yourself, or use another mod and stop wasting my time.

04-08-08, 03:57 PM	#5
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Allow me to open this door and allow a nice cool breeze in here. Ahhhhhhh... that's better. I am sure everyone is much cooler and calmer now. Don't thank me... it's all part of the service. JCC

04-08-08, 04:14 PM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Easy there Duc! The man's just curious why you made it the way it is.