Just for once...

DeepIron · 03-24-08, 11:18 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm

Just for once, I wish these guys (US military) would go ahead and provide incontrivertable evidence that Iran is mixed up in this. You know, show the world photographic evidence, verified by a third party, of Iranian arms being used or something...

Maybe then the world might get behind the US when it makes these accusations. Otherwise, it's just the same old saw...

August · 03-24-08, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm

Just for once, I wish these guys (US military) would go ahead and provide incontrivertable evidence that Iran is mixed up in this. You know, show the world photographic evidence, verified by a third party, of Iranian arms being used or something...

Maybe then the world might get behind the US when it makes these accusations. Otherwise, it's just the same old saw...

There is no such thing as "incontrovertable evidence". You could say the sky is blue and somebody would argue with you. Especially when it comes to this stuff. It's not like they stamp "Made in Iran" on the shaped charges and other munitions they send into Iraq. Even if they did someone would discount it.

Tchocky · 03-24-08, 11:42 AM

Well, John mcCain has been running around the Middle East saying that Iran are training Al-Qaeda.
He doesn't need evidence, he served his country in Vietnam don't you know.

DeepIron · 03-24-08, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm

Just for once, I wish these guys (US military) would go ahead and provide incontrivertable evidence that Iran is mixed up in this. You know, show the world photographic evidence, verified by a third party, of Iranian arms being used or something...

Maybe then the world might get behind the US when it makes these accusations. Otherwise, it's just the same old saw...

There is no such thing as "incontrovertable evidence". You could say the sky is blue and somebody would argue with you. Especially when it comes to this stuff. It's not like they stamp "Made in Iran" on the shaped charges and other munitions they send into Iraq. Even if they did someone would discount it.

Whatever you say August...

August · 03-24-08, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Well, John mcCain has been running around the Middle East saying that Iran are training Al-Qaeda.
He doesn't need evidence, he served his country in Vietnam don't you know.

Because Iran would never, ever interfere in the affairs of a foreign nation right?

August · 03-24-08, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

Whatever you say August...

Because you obviously know better than anyone right Deep?

Tchocky · 03-24-08, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Well, John mcCain has been running around the Middle East saying that Iran are training Al-Qaeda.
He doesn't need evidence, he served his country in Vietnam don't you know.

Because Iran would never, ever interfere in the affairs of a foreign nation right?

Point taken, Iran aren't cuddly.
But for McCain to expect us to believe that Shia Iran is training Sunni Al-Qaeda is absurd. Three options here. One, a simple slip-up, happens to everybody. Two, McCain is not as mentally stable as we'd like button-folk to be. Three, it's what he believes.

"Iran is training al-Qaeda" - switch one letter and we've all heard this one before.

DeepIron · 03-24-08, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

Whatever you say August...

Because you obviously know better than anyone right Deep?

Nope... Instead of arguing the issue with you, (and risk being called "a bitter Betty" or some such silliness for my efforts) I'll concede it quickly and give you whatever satisfaction you find in "winning" the argument.

You win August.

TteFAboB · 03-25-08, 01:05 AM

If it's bad for Iraq and for the US, what's there to loose?

Stealth Hunter · 03-25-08, 02:35 AM

There really is no proof that Iran is helping the terrorists. There's only been talk. Bush never has shown us concrete evidence that Iran was supplying insurgents fighting in Iraq. We've been told that there are "many sources" who can confirm Iranian involvement with Al-Qaeda, but he never has revealed these sources OR at the very least told us how reliable these sources are.

This is a song we've heard many times. "I have many reliable and important sources at this time that can confirm the issue at hand." Yeah, that's nice. Now can we see these sources, please to discern how reliable they are? Can we see these details that can confirm the issue? There's never an answer, there's just silence. We never get an answer to any of these questions, just reassurance afterward. Like Iran's nuclear program. Yeah, we heard the exact same thing. Many reliable sources, confirms that Iran is making nukes, we should mark them as a severe threat to America. Then perhaps you should explain to us why the Iranian nuclear research and development program has been discontinued indefinitely since 2003. Bush comes out then and has the balls to say that it doesn't make any difference if the Iranians were making nuclear weapons or not. IT MAKES A HELL OF A LOT OF A DIFFERENCE. You tell us that there's PROOF from your sources that Iran is making nukes, you make these outlandish claims ON TV, your speech is shot down by a simple document, and you tell us it makes no difference, despite the fact you were pushing for a WAR that would get even more American soldiers killed? Yes, this makes perfect sense...

joegrundman · 03-25-08, 03:13 AM

You are arguing the toss and it makes no difference.

Whether the US government is right or wrong about this doesn't matter because no one believes a word the US government says anymore. The assumption now is that what comes out of US administration mouths is not the truth but merely what they decided today was expedient. You cashed in your credibility with Iraq.

Who knows whether it is true or not? There is no one who both knows and is trusted to say the truth

Stealth Hunter · 03-25-08, 03:16 AM

Indeed. I've recently, with this recession and such, been considering more and more everday moving to Canada or to Germany with my brother. It's getting very bad, and I fear the worst for the United States of America.

August · 03-25-08, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

You win August.

That's nice. At first I didn't know I was arguing with you. Are all your convictions that weak kneed?

August · 03-25-08, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

But for McCain to expect us to believe that Shia Iran is training Sunni Al-Qaeda is absurd.

I agree. Got a link for that Tchocky? DeepIrons quickly disavowed BBC story only mentions Petraeus.

Tchocky · 03-25-08, 07:49 AM

Yar, links aplenty.

Glenn Greenwald

WashPost

ThinkProgress I know, I know :p

Al-Jazeera

AP

03-24-08, 11:18 AM	#1
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03-24-08, 11:42 AM	#3
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Well, John mcCain has been running around the Middle East saying that Iran are training Al-Qaeda. He doesn't need evidence, he served his country in Vietnam don't you know. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-25-08, 01:05 AM	#9
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	If it's bad for Iraq and for the US, what's there to loose? __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

03-25-08, 03:13 AM	#11
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	You are arguing the toss and it makes no difference. Whether the US government is right or wrong about this doesn't matter because no one believes a word the US government says anymore. The assumption now is that what comes out of US administration mouths is not the truth but merely what they decided today was expedient. You cashed in your credibility with Iraq. Who knows whether it is true or not? There is no one who both knows and is trusted to say the truth __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

03-25-08, 07:49 AM	#15
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Yar, links aplenty. Glenn Greenwald WashPost ThinkProgress I know, I know :p Al-Jazeera AP __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-25-08, 02:35 AM	#10
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	There really is no proof that Iran is helping the terrorists. There's only been talk. Bush never has shown us concrete evidence that Iran was supplying insurgents fighting in Iraq. We've been told that there are "many sources" who can confirm Iranian involvement with Al-Qaeda, but he never has revealed these sources OR at the very least told us how reliable these sources are. This is a song we've heard many times. "I have many reliable and important sources at this time that can confirm the issue at hand." Yeah, that's nice. Now can we see these sources, please to discern how reliable they are? Can we see these details that can confirm the issue? There's never an answer, there's just silence. We never get an answer to any of these questions, just reassurance afterward. Like Iran's nuclear program. Yeah, we heard the exact same thing. Many reliable sources, confirms that Iran is making nukes, we should mark them as a severe threat to America. Then perhaps you should explain to us why the Iranian nuclear research and development program has been discontinued indefinitely since 2003. Bush comes out then and has the balls to say that it doesn't make any difference if the Iranians were making nuclear weapons or not. IT MAKES A HELL OF A LOT OF A DIFFERENCE. You tell us that there's PROOF from your sources that Iran is making nukes, you make these outlandish claims ON TV, your speech is shot down by a simple document, and you tell us it makes no difference, despite the fact you were pushing for a WAR that would get even more American soldiers killed? Yes, this makes perfect sense...

03-25-08, 03:16 AM	#12
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Indeed. I've recently, with this recession and such, been considering more and more everday moving to Canada or to Germany with my brother. It's getting very bad, and I fear the worst for the United States of America.