Are you a HillPublican?

Von Tonner · 03-23-08, 06:42 AM

This has already been confirmed in the Texas primary that 100,000 Republicans came out and voted for Hillary. Now some analysts are saying that even in Missisisippi as much as 25% of her vote could have been HillPublicans. The reason given is plausible and makes for clever politics. If this does not shake the super delegate tree and put a stop to this, what will?

"Some pundits are calling them the HillPublicans. They are hardcore Republicans who are going against their previous political beliefs and voting for Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton."

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...national_news/

Platapus · 03-23-08, 06:49 AM

Yes, but they are not voting for Senator Clinton because they want her for President. They are, in their opinion, voting for the weakest opponent. This way, their candidate, Senator McCain, would run against Senator Clinton. It the belief of some GoP strategists that Senator Clinton will be a more easier opponent for Senator McCain to beat.

This is entirely different from the number of disillusioned republicans, such as myself, who, while still republican, will be voting for the Democratic candidate because they do not want Senator McCain for President.

Voting for the "opposite" in the primaries as a way to skew the election is nothing new. People have been doing that ever since there have been open primaries.

I have not come across any data that would indicate that this "cross voting" had any significant impact on an election.

Von Tonner · 03-23-08, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Yes, but they are not voting for Senator Clinton because they want her for President. They are, in their opinion, voting for the weakest opponent. This way, their candidate, Senator McCain, would run against Senator Clinton. It the belief of some GoP strategists that Senator Clinton will be a more easier opponent for Senator McCain to beat.

Precisely, that is what the article is getting at. They are voting for her to set the Democratic Party up. 1) It continues the cat fight and 2) they just might get Clinton nominated - which is the contender they believe they can shoot to hell and back.

I will try and look up the reference on Texas. What I found interesting is that she won Texas by that amount of votes.

nikimcbee · 03-23-08, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

This has already been confirmed in the Texas primary that 100,000 Republicans came out and voted for Hillary. Now some analysts are saying that even in Missisisippi as much as 25% of her vote could have been HillPublicans. The reason given is plausible and makes for clever politics. If this does not shake the super delegate tree and put a stop to this, what will?

"Some pundits are calling them the HillPublicans. They are hardcore Republicans who are going against their previous political beliefs and voting for Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton."

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...national_news/

I'm still curious how our favorite Texan voted?

:hmm:

Tchocky · 03-23-08, 08:58 AM

She didn't win Texas, Obama came out with more delegates. EDIT - ah, yes, she won the primary and that's what ye are talking about. My brain ain't working this afternoon

Oh, and I think Rush Limbaugh could be in court for urging Republcans to vote for Hillary. 'tis a felony on a certain state, can't remember where I read it.
Cursed late-night interweb surfing, can't remember a damn thing :p

The WosMan · 03-23-08, 09:24 AM

It is illegal in Ohio to switch because when you join a political party in Ohio you swear an "Oath of Allegiance". The big stink is coming from Cuyahoga County (the county I live in unfortunately) and the strong Democrat apparatus which continues to ruin the economy and run Cleveland into ground but never loses thanks to big labor. I highly doubt they will do anything about it because:

1.) That law is stupid and wouldn't hold any water in court and would likely be found unconstitutional

2.) Would be a rallying cry for Republicans and would probably give Limbaugh another 10 million listeners on top of the 20 million he already has.

I know plenty of Republicans that engaged in "operation chaos"

and when they vote for McCain in November they can use the excuse that while they have sworn allegiance to the Democrat party now, they feel that only Sen McCain represents their views.

Personally I don't like McCain and wish we could have got someone else but Clinton or Obama would both do far more damage to this country. If McCain was smart he would chose a very young and very conservative Republican as a VP because I can't see the guy being a 2 term President.

nikimcbee · 03-23-08, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The WosMan

It is illegal in Ohio to switch because when you join a political party in Ohio you swear an "Oath of Allegiance". The big stink is coming from Cuyahoga County (the county I live in unfortunately) and the strong Democrat apparatus which continues to ruin the economy and run Cleveland into ground but never loses thanks to big labor. I highly doubt they will do anything about it because:

1.) That law is stupid and wouldn't hold any water in court and would likely be found unconstitutional

2.) Would be a rallying cry for Republicans and would probably give Limbaugh another 10 million listeners on top of the 20 million he already has.

I know plenty of Republicans that engaged in "operation chaos"

and when they vote for McCain in November they can use the excuse that while they have sworn allegiance to the Democrat party now, they feel that only Sen McCain represents their views.

Personally I don't like McCain and wish we could have got someone else but Clinton or Obama would both do far more damage to this country. If McCain was smart he would chose a very young and very conservative Republican as a VP because I can't see the guy being a 2 term President.

Yeah, I heard a rumor someplace that he was only going to run for one term.

Trex · 03-23-08, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee
Yeah, I heard a rumor someplace that he was only going to run for one term.

The last politician to duck out when there was still time on the clock was Cincinnatus. Don't bet the mortgage on that one.

Letum · 03-23-08, 10:51 AM

What are the most important things to know about her?
What politicians does she resemble?

Anyone got a link to a voting record for her?

Hylander_1314 · 03-23-08, 11:22 AM

I'm done with being a good Dem or Rep. They both fail miserably, accept for their own agendas. And I'm tired of those who go to Washington to rule, instead of represent.

So I've made it a personal guideline to be a good American instead.

And as my Dad would say when I asked him who he voted for, his reply was it's none of your d@** business.

There are some websites like numbers usa, and grassfire where you can find the info you're looking for. Another that may have voting records is jbs dot org.

Platapus · 03-23-08, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The WosMan

It is illegal in Ohio to switch because when you join a political party in Ohio you swear an "Oath of Allegiance".

Are you serious? If this is true it is another reason I would never live in Ohio.

I refuse to swear any oath of allegiance to any political party. My allegiance is to the United States of America. Specifically there is this little tattered old piece of paper, signed by a bunch of dead guys, called the Constitution that holds my Allegiance.

I may choose to support or subscribe to one political party or another as I see fit. But to require me to swear an oath of allegiance to a political party is deeply disturbing to this ole American.

Platapus · 03-23-08, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

I'm done with being a good Dem or Rep. They both fail miserably, accept for their own agendas. And I'm tired of those who go to Washington to rule, instead of represent.

So I've made it a personal guideline to be a good American instead.

Count me in there with you!

joegrundman · 03-23-08, 09:23 PM

A bit off-topic, but err..how does being a good american differ from being a good person?

Camaero · 03-24-08, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

A bit off-topic, but err..how does being a good american differ from being a good person?

Depends on the perspective of the person you are asking I guess.

Blacklight · 03-24-08, 12:16 PM

Trying to skew the election like this is definitely DIRTY politics at it's worst.

03-23-08, 06:42 AM	#1
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Are you a HillPublican? This has already been confirmed in the Texas primary that 100,000 Republicans came out and voted for Hillary. Now some analysts are saying that even in Missisisippi as much as 25% of her vote could have been HillPublicans. The reason given is plausible and makes for clever politics. If this does not shake the super delegate tree and put a stop to this, what will? "Some pundits are calling them the HillPublicans. They are hardcore Republicans who are going against their previous political beliefs and voting for Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton." http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...national_news/

03-23-08, 06:49 AM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Yes, but they are not voting for Senator Clinton because they want her for President. They are, in their opinion, voting for the weakest opponent. This way, their candidate, Senator McCain, would run against Senator Clinton. It the belief of some GoP strategists that Senator Clinton will be a more easier opponent for Senator McCain to beat. This is entirely different from the number of disillusioned republicans, such as myself, who, while still republican, will be voting for the Democratic candidate because they do not want Senator McCain for President. Voting for the "opposite" in the primaries as a way to skew the election is nothing new. People have been doing that ever since there have been open primaries. I have not come across any data that would indicate that this "cross voting" had any significant impact on an election. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-23-08, 08:58 AM	#5
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	She didn't win Texas, Obama came out with more delegates. EDIT - ah, yes, she won the primary and that's what ye are talking about. My brain ain't working this afternoon Oh, and I think Rush Limbaugh could be in court for urging Republcans to vote for Hillary. 'tis a felony on a certain state, can't remember where I read it. Cursed late-night interweb surfing, can't remember a damn thing :p __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-23-08, 10:51 AM	#9
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	What are the most important things to know about her? What politicians does she resemble? Anyone got a link to a voting record for her? __________________

03-23-08, 11:22 AM	#10
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	I'm done with being a good Dem or Rep. They both fail miserably, accept for their own agendas. And I'm tired of those who go to Washington to rule, instead of represent. So I've made it a personal guideline to be a good American instead. And as my Dad would say when I asked him who he voted for, his reply was it's none of your d@** business. There are some websites like numbers usa, and grassfire where you can find the info you're looking for. Another that may have voting records is jbs dot org. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

03-23-08, 09:24 AM	#6
The WosMan Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OH Posts: 332 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	It is illegal in Ohio to switch because when you join a political party in Ohio you swear an "Oath of Allegiance". The big stink is coming from Cuyahoga County (the county I live in unfortunately) and the strong Democrat apparatus which continues to ruin the economy and run Cleveland into ground but never loses thanks to big labor. I highly doubt they will do anything about it because: 1.) That law is stupid and wouldn't hold any water in court and would likely be found unconstitutional 2.) Would be a rallying cry for Republicans and would probably give Limbaugh another 10 million listeners on top of the 20 million he already has. I know plenty of Republicans that engaged in "operation chaos" and when they vote for McCain in November they can use the excuse that while they have sworn allegiance to the Democrat party now, they feel that only Sen McCain represents their views. Personally I don't like McCain and wish we could have got someone else but Clinton or Obama would both do far more damage to this country. If McCain was smart he would chose a very young and very conservative Republican as a VP because I can't see the guy being a 2 term President.

03-23-08, 09:23 PM	#13
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	A bit off-topic, but err..how does being a good american differ from being a good person? __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

03-24-08, 12:16 PM	#15
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Trying to skew the election like this is definitely DIRTY politics at it's worst. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"