Merged: trouble brewing in kosovo...

Steel_Tomb · 03-17-08, 12:19 PM

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200803...a-43a8d4f.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7300015.stm

A sign of things to come?

SUBMAN1 · 03-17-08, 12:25 PM

NATO should pull out of Kosovo and let them deal with their internal issues. Its not like they are going to be a threat to their neighbors, which I consider to be one of the only excuses for NATO involvement in the first place. To have them deal with their own problems will heal a wound that cannot be healed any other way. To stay is to leave that wound permanantly open and viloence like this will be common place unless NATO leaves.

It will probably get ugly after the leave, but in time, get better again. Only time and a hands off approach can fix this.

Its kind of like Americas Civil war. You can't fix it any other way. Imagine if the English stepped in and stopped us from what needed to be done? The problem would never have been fixed, and there would still be violence today.

-S

Steel_Tomb · 03-17-08, 12:40 PM

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

SUBMAN1 · 03-17-08, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

Because it is not needed here at all. No one is building a bomb. No one defied their ceasefire orders. No one is blowing up the London bridge. This is an internal strife that cannot be fixed with NATO troops - ever.

And last I checked, the Albanians can handle themselves just fine against the Serbs. WHat needs to happen is to work themselves to a stalemate, and then eventual ceasefire. Then the stone throwing will stop. Or one must overtake the other, and again, it will stop. Until this happens, there will be no peace.

-S

August · 03-17-08, 12:49 PM

So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade?

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-17-08, 12:52 PM

*waits for elite_hunter*

Steel_Tomb · 03-17-08, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

Because it is not needed here at all. No one is building a bomb. No one defied their ceasefire orders. No one is blowing up the London bridge. This is an internal strife that cannot be fixed with NATO troops - ever.

And last I checked, the Albanians can handle themselves just fine against the Serbs. WHat needs to happen is to work themselves to a stalemate, and then eventual ceasefire. Then the stone throwing will stop. Or one must overtake the other, and again, it will stop. Until this happens, there will be no peace.

-S

With respect, how do you know there will be peace? We don't know what will happen, I fear there would be much bloodshed in the region if K-FOR pulled out of Kosovo. The troops there aren't to stop terrorists making bombs, or to seek out Islamic extremists, they are there as peacekeepers. Therefore they should stay and do there job, to keep the peace as best they can. I hope with dialouge and negotiations the ethnic differences can be settled without the use of force.

SUBMAN1 · 03-17-08, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

With respect, how do you know there will be peace?...

There won't be till they fight it out, so now you know. It is something they simply must do. What is almost kind of funny is that NATO thinks they can do something about it.

-S

Jimbuna · 03-17-08, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

With respect, how do you know there will be peace?...

There won't be till they fight it out, so now you know. It is something they simply must do. What is almost kind of funny is that NATO thinks they can do something about it.

-S

This could fast become the European Iraq

SUBMAN1 · 03-17-08, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

This could fast become the European Iraq

It already is.

elite_hunter_sh3 · 03-17-08, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by August

So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade?

at this rate very soon...

yes please, get out and dont come back, this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it..

elite_hunter_sh3 · 03-17-08, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

you obviously dont read your biased news these days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7300015.stm

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It also coincides with the fourth anniversary of rioting in Mitrovica by Kosovo Albanians which drove some 4,000 people, mainly Serbs, from their homes, and left at least 19 people dead, according to UN figures.

open your eyes....

fyi this riot didnt kill any UN police .... only injured..

"The rioters who have used Molotov cocktails, grenades and possible automatic weapons fire have gravely violated the law," well thats a start..

August · 03-17-08, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

this is Serbia and Russias Problem, we will fix it..

No it isn't and no you won't. Especially you...

mrbeast · 03-17-08, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

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Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now?

you obviously dont read your biased news these days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7300015.stm

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It also coincides with the fourth anniversary of rioting in Mitrovica by Kosovo Albanians which drove some 4,000 people, mainly Serbs, from their homes, and left at least 19 people dead, according to UN figures.

open your eyes....

fyi this riot didnt kill any UN police .... only injured..

"The rioters who have used Molotov cocktails, grenades and possible automatic weapons fire have gravely violated the law," well thats a start..

Elite have you ever heard what Ghandi said about 'an eye for an eye'?

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-17-08, 03:50 PM

Riots, Death, Destruction, Miffed population.

I know where I'm going for my holidays next year!

03-17-08, 12:19 PM	#1
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03-17-08, 12:25 PM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	NATO should pull out of Kosovo and let them deal with their internal issues. Its not like they are going to be a threat to their neighbors, which I consider to be one of the only excuses for NATO involvement in the first place. To have them deal with their own problems will heal a wound that cannot be healed any other way. To stay is to leave that wound permanantly open and viloence like this will be common place unless NATO leaves. It will probably get ugly after the leave, but in time, get better again. Only time and a hands off approach can fix this. Its kind of like Americas Civil war. You can't fix it any other way. Imagine if the English stepped in and stopped us from what needed to be done? The problem would never have been fixed, and there would still be violence today. -S __________________

03-17-08, 12:40 PM	#3
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't think we should just abandon Kosovo, NATO and the UN has given their word to protect the fledgling nation from agression. If we were to leave the hardliners in Serbia would have a field day, think of the killing that would happen? For once, we can not blame the people of Kosovo, the Serbs started these attacks. We always lecture for using aggression when its not needed, why not now? __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

03-17-08, 12:49 PM	#5
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So when is Elite leaving for Belgrade? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

03-17-08, 12:52 PM	#6
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	waits for elite_hunter __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-17-08, 03:50 PM	#15
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Riots, Death, Destruction, Miffed population. I know where I'm going for my holidays next year! __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.