Appeasing Islam-Pat Condell

[Happy Times]

Good stuff again.

[mapuc]

Well said, couldn't agree more

Markus

[elite_hunter_sh3]

another great video now, if only every SINGLE european would think like that... what a beautiful continent europe would be, no islam whatsoever.....too bad it wont be a reality anytime soon

[CCIP]

yey, let's all generalize!

[Foxtrot]

Islam must be responsible for these:
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Adu.../1135234514777

and these:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle831344.ece


Don't let those Muslims screw up our socities

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CCIP

yey, let's all generalize!

No, let's focus on the message being brought by Muhammad, regarding what Islam is - that is bad and disgraceful enough. the author ordered murder, raids and war throughout his life, and Islam's history is a history of war, cultural destruction, attack and aggressive conquest where the ressources for it were existent. That tells something - and it is not the message of peace and tolerance and coexistence.

Everything in Islam, including the Quran and canon of the socalled tradition of the prophet, Hadith, has it's basis in Muhammad's orders and preachings. Everything in Islam leads back to him, that's why it is "Muhammadanism". Generalization has nothing to do with it. And that significant parts of the Muslim community especially in Britain are in favour of Sharia being implemented in Britain and that violence is acceptable to reach that goal (amongst the young males: over 50%, adults around a quarter to one third), is not a generalization, but a statistical finding. Or a german example of "unfair generalisation": the smaller group of juveniles from immigration families with Muslim background in Germany reach a crime rate as high as that of all native German juveniles together (a group several times as big as the first group) , making their crime rate multiple times as high as that of native Germans (so says our police statistics) - that too can hardly be seen as a generalization, but is a statistic fact, countable, and provable, year by year.

Where you want to save Muslims from "generalization", you may bebetter understand that the people you think of as that because they are in favour of this or that western value or ethic - by that alone often are already in violation of Muhammedan values, and in violation of what they are ordered for in the Quran. So you may want to think of them as either apostates who do not admit their state of apostacy (potential death-candidates), or deceptors. Both kind of people exist. Deception is not only acceptable, but males are even ordered to deceive if it is helping to strengthen Islam.

Let's stick to what Islam is by its own scriptures and prophet's demands when adressing what Islam is. why the wish to see it as something different than what it is in it's self-understanding? The name is not arbitrary and should not be used for any set of ideas somebody has, no matter what ideas it is, but means a clearly defined ideology that is what it is, and is not what it is not. One should not say Red when one points at Blue and then complain that other's visual sense is distorted and is generalizing in favour of the one colour. Too much talking today that has no meaning anymore, because of this.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Bloody hell.


I agree with Skybird!!

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Good stuff again.

Hear, hear! or is it Here, here!?

[Steel_Tomb]

"The saudi arabian human rights commission, now theres a collection of words to boggle the mind" LOL :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: spot on.

[Steel_Tomb]

I agree, this is the time when islam with either go towards the extremists or moderates. Quite similar to how the troubles started with the whole catholicism/protestant beliefs all those years ago.

[antikristuseke]

Someting else on youtube on a similar subject

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Hear, hear! or is it Here, here!?

Right first time. Hear! Hear!

But I'm betting you knew that.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Right first time. Hear! Hear!

But I'm betting you knew that.

I assume from a British perspective two Yanks discussing the correct writing of English must have it's own scent of humour and irony.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Bloody hell.
I agree with Skybird!!

Damn -you just ruined my dinner...

[Knipper]

Brilliant! is all I can say. My only contention with yer man is to say islam is inferior to western culture. I just think it is different. What does piss me off however is people who live in another country and put down the laws and conventions of that country. I'm not talking about total integration, let them wear the clothes they want, follow the religion they want etc, but they should remember one thing: They chose to live there because it was better than living in their own country. And if their offspring don't like it, they should go back to their roots.

I don't consider myself racist in any shape or form, I don't give a s**t about colour, religion, sexuality or any other aspect of being a human being, but if I go to live in another country, as I have several times in my life, I have always tried to live by that country's laws, respect it's traditions even though they might be different from my own, and tried to speak at least a little of it's language. It's about respect for others and quite frankly, my perception is that many Muslims living in the UK just don't give a damn about any of this. It's all about Islam being the only true way, just like the Christans do about Christianity. The only good thing I can think of to say about Islam is that at least they don't come knocking on my door telling me I'm wrong to be an atheist like the Mormons and the Jehova's Witnesses do - but that's probably only a matter of time. OK, we have CCTV all over the place, calls for all-round DNA (see thread: Hitler would be proud) but the UK still isn't a patch on Iran or Burma or Saudi in terms of civil liberties. Get real guys, in England, you are allowed to criticise religion. Like it or leave. I don't believe Jesus was the son of god, nor do I believe Mohammad was a prophet. I'm allowed to say that in the UK - so are you. Live with it. It's what is known as freedom of speech.