[WIP]RealNav Panel for GWX + OLC

Mikhayl · 01-18-08, 05:10 AM

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kys2000 · 01-18-08, 05:17 AM

where I can download it ??

JCWolf · 01-18-08, 05:18 AM

Brilliante !

awesome !

Fantastic !

Thanks mate !

mic1184 · 01-18-08, 05:26 AM

OMG thats fantastics, everything starts to fit together... GWX, OLC GUI, RL navigation...

I really cant wait for that release...

onelifecrisis · 01-18-08, 05:33 AM

Looks good!!

AOTD_MadMax · 01-18-08, 06:10 AM

Wow that is in nice addition for the game.

We from AOTD must have it for ouer Onlinecampaign.
Hope that you can finish it soon.

Greets

Maddy

Nico71 · 01-18-08, 06:55 AM

That's awesome! I have a question: how did you solve the camera angle problem that causes some serious distortion and throws off the sextant reading? I have fiddled with the camera settings for a while, and when I managed to have Polaris in the correct postition on 60°N, it was way off at, say, 20°N, and vice versa! I tested everything between 60° and 75° view angle, and 73° seemed to work best, but still not precise enough! Finally I gave up on it. But now I am really curious!

Nico71 · 01-18-08, 07:48 AM

Vanjast used the NYGM cameras.dat IIRC. The view angle is 75° or so. But when I set the angle to 75° in OLC, Polaris is out of view at 60°N, and the whole view is skewed somehow. Just to be on the safe side, I strongly suggest some thorough testing before anyone starts a patrol!

Well, what we really need is a moveable vertical scale, just like the compass in periscope or binocs view. This would settle the problem once and for all.

Nico71 · 01-18-08, 08:22 AM

These are good news indeed! If it works near the equator as well, you have won the jackpot! And yes, 1° off is about right (give or take, as we don't have a real sextant anyway that would allow more precise readings)

onelifecrisis · 01-18-08, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nico71

Vanjast used the NYGM cameras.dat IIRC. The view angle is 75° or so. But when I set the angle to 75° in OLC, Polaris is out of view at 60°N, and the whole view is skewed somehow. Just to be on the safe side, I strongly suggest some thorough testing before anyone starts a patrol!

Well, what we really need is a moveable vertical scale, just like the compass in periscope or binocs view. This would settle the problem once and for all.

Can't say I know much about this real navigation stuff (though I'm very much in favour of realism generally speaking) but do I understand you correctly in that you require something that can measure an angle of elevation? Between the horizon and the sun, or something?

If so... depending on how high you need to be able to measure the angle... I can think of a way to do that.

Please don't tell me you need to be able to measure it all the way up to 90 degrees though (sun directly overhead).

Nico71 · 01-18-08, 08:38 AM

No, I think 60-70° will be sufficient for game purposes. Using real nav further up to the north doesn't make much sense in the game because of the distorted map. It looks like a mercator at first glance (which would be of great value in navigation), but it isn't! In real life, something like 180° are required, though.

The problem as far as I understand it is the fishbowl effect that throws off any reading by some margin. If we could move the object of interest (i.e. Polaris) into the center of the FOV, this problem wouldn't exist any more (I think). The binocs might be useful for this. In real life, the navigator has to align the sextant with the horizon manually, but in the game this is hard to accomplish, distorts the view and limits the readings to a maximum of 60°. By shifting the view upwards, we might be able to achieve more precision (we are currently in the weird situation that determining the longitude is easier and more precise than the latitude).

NealT · 01-18-08, 08:56 AM

With all that this mod and others have...we almost have ourself a SHV on our hands...

Or am I really off-base here?

:hmm:

Nico71 · 01-18-08, 08:57 AM

Now that I'm thinking about it.....there is indeed such a scale in the game already: the range indicator of the deck gun! Maybe it is possible to mod it in a way that the angle can be displayed (not in the deck gun view, of course, but in the binocs or so!)

onelifecrisis · 01-18-08, 08:58 AM

Are you sure that's the problem? In theory the fishbowl effect shouldn't cause a problem, unless I'm misunderstanding something, in which case the method I have in mind should work.

Forgive me if this is old news - as I said I know nothing of real navigation or its mods - but you could set the "on deck" camera fov to something like 90 (horizontal, thus giving you a vertical fov of 67.5) and add a draggable, transparent scale to the GUI, which has a height of exactly 768 pixels and is marked from 0 to 67.5 degrees, looking something like this:

Then you just align Polaris with the centre of the screen (that is, the horizontal centre - it can be anywhere vertically) and drag this scale so that the 0 mark is on the horizon, and voila.

I don't see why that wouldn't work. :hmm:

Edit: cross posted - sounds like we were thinking along similar lines.

onelifecrisis · 01-18-08, 09:04 AM

So this Vanjast fella has in fact already created the thing I just suggested, but you're not getting 100% accurate readings from it? That's strange. Assuming his scale is accurate, and that you have your camera angle set the same as his, I'm pretty sure this fish-eye effect shouldn't matter. :hmm:

01-18-08, 05:10 AM	#1
Mikhayl Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 485 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	[WIP]RealNav Panel for GWX + OLC --- Last edited by Mikhayl; 02-10-10 at 09:49 AM.

01-18-08, 05:18 AM	#3
JCWolf Admiral Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Spain , Crossing Gibraltar! Posts: 2,292 Downloads: 202 Uploads: 1	Brilliante ! awesome ! Fantastic ! Thanks mate ! __________________ JCWolf Mediafire SHIII Page User name : JCWolf Password : stefre@jcm

01-18-08, 05:26 AM	#4
mic1184 Mate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany Posts: 52 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	OMG thats fantastics, everything starts to fit together... GWX, OLC GUI, RL navigation... I really cant wait for that release... __________________ Thanks for all those wonderful mods

01-18-08, 05:33 AM	#5
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Looks good!! __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

01-18-08, 06:10 AM	#6
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Wow that is in nice addition for the game. We from AOTD must have it for ouer Onlinecampaign. Hope that you can finish it soon. Greets Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

01-18-08, 05:17 AM	#2
kys2000 Loader Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 84 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	where I can download it ??

01-18-08, 06:55 AM	#7
Nico71 Medic Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 168 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	That's awesome! I have a question: how did you solve the camera angle problem that causes some serious distortion and throws off the sextant reading? I have fiddled with the camera settings for a while, and when I managed to have Polaris in the correct postition on 60°N, it was way off at, say, 20°N, and vice versa! I tested everything between 60° and 75° view angle, and 73° seemed to work best, but still not precise enough! Finally I gave up on it. But now I am really curious!

01-18-08, 07:48 AM	#8
Nico71 Medic Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 168 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Vanjast used the NYGM cameras.dat IIRC. The view angle is 75° or so. But when I set the angle to 75° in OLC, Polaris is out of view at 60°N, and the whole view is skewed somehow. Just to be on the safe side, I strongly suggest some thorough testing before anyone starts a patrol! Well, what we really need is a moveable vertical scale, just like the compass in periscope or binocs view. This would settle the problem once and for all.

01-18-08, 08:22 AM	#9
Nico71 Medic Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 168 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	These are good news indeed! If it works near the equator as well, you have won the jackpot! And yes, 1° off is about right (give or take, as we don't have a real sextant anyway that would allow more precise readings)

01-18-08, 08:38 AM	#11
Nico71 Medic Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 168 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	No, I think 60-70° will be sufficient for game purposes. Using real nav further up to the north doesn't make much sense in the game because of the distorted map. It looks like a mercator at first glance (which would be of great value in navigation), but it isn't! In real life, something like 180° are required, though. The problem as far as I understand it is the fishbowl effect that throws off any reading by some margin. If we could move the object of interest (i.e. Polaris) into the center of the FOV, this problem wouldn't exist any more (I think). The binocs might be useful for this. In real life, the navigator has to align the sextant with the horizon manually, but in the game this is hard to accomplish, distorts the view and limits the readings to a maximum of 60°. By shifting the view upwards, we might be able to achieve more precision (we are currently in the weird situation that determining the longitude is easier and more precise than the latitude).

01-18-08, 08:56 AM	#12
NealT Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 2 Meters Below Jimbuna Posts: 1,060 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	With all that this mod and others have...we almost have ourself a SHV on our hands... Or am I really off-base here? :hmm:

01-18-08, 08:57 AM	#13
Nico71 Medic Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 168 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Now that I'm thinking about it.....there is indeed such a scale in the game already: the range indicator of the deck gun! Maybe it is possible to mod it in a way that the angle can be displayed (not in the deck gun view, of course, but in the binocs or so!)

01-18-08, 08:58 AM	#14
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Are you sure that's the problem? In theory the fishbowl effect shouldn't cause a problem, unless I'm misunderstanding something, in which case the method I have in mind should work. Forgive me if this is old news - as I said I know nothing of real navigation or its mods - but you could set the "on deck" camera fov to something like 90 (horizontal, thus giving you a vertical fov of 67.5) and add a draggable, transparent scale to the GUI, which has a height of exactly 768 pixels and is marked from 0 to 67.5 degrees, looking something like this: Then you just align Polaris with the centre of the screen (that is, the horizontal centre - it can be anywhere vertically) and drag this scale so that the 0 mark is on the horizon, and voila. I don't see why that wouldn't work. :hmm: Edit: cross posted - sounds like we were thinking along similar lines. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

01-18-08, 09:04 AM	#15
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	So this Vanjast fella has in fact already created the thing I just suggested, but you're not getting 100% accurate readings from it? That's strange. Assuming his scale is accurate, and that you have your camera angle set the same as his, I'm pretty sure this fish-eye effect shouldn't matter. :hmm: __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.