Sound contacts while surfaced

fvd · 01-13-08, 03:37 PM

Hi everyone,

I know this has been an issue from day one when SH4 came out.
The patches that have been released did'nt solve this.
But some mod's did, like Trigger_Maru.

I've played a while with TM but then i got curious for RFB so i've changed to that now. (along with RSRD)
One of the things i noticed is that sound contacts while surfaced are back.
I thought RFB was a mod which is historically very corect, isn't it?
So now i am wondering why this mod doesn't do anything about these sound contacts?
Does this have a reason?

Thanks already!
fvd

AVGWarhawk · 01-13-08, 04:00 PM

Historically the sonar could detect sound while surfaced. In the game, it is just waaaayyyyyy to good. Normally for the super sonic head to hear sound, the boat had to be at very slow turns or completely stopped. RFB has addressed this but is not out for release as yet but is coming

. The modders are working in all sorts of goodies and testing is taking place in the back field.

Anyway, I will not tell you what they have done to rectify the all hearing, hearing aid but the after math of what was done forces you to slow down so it you can hear while surfaced. It is not the perfect solution but IMHO feel it is the best solution with what the modders had to work with concerning the sonar while surfaced.

LukeFF is on the case concerning the sonar!

Stay tuned

fvd · 01-14-08, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Historically the sonar could detect sound while surfaced. In the game, it is just waaaayyyyyy to good. Normally for the super sonic head to hear sound, the boat had to be at very slow turns or completely stopped. RFB has addressed this but is not out for release as yet but is coming

. The modders are working in all sorts of goodies and testing is taking place in the back field.

Anyway, I will not tell you what they have done to rectify the all hearing, hearing aid but the after math of what was done forces you to slow down so it you can hear while surfaced. It is not the perfect solution but IMHO feel it is the best solution with what the modders had to work with concerning the sonar while surfaced.

LukeFF is on the case concerning the sonar!

Stay tuned

Thanks AVG!
By the way, what do you use/prefer, TM or RFB?
Best regards,
fvd

Ducimus · 01-14-08, 02:12 PM

Theres a "team working on RFB now instead of just one person?

Sweet!

I hope they ratchet up the bar, so people will go use RFB instead of TM, so im no longer inundated with questions every time i visit the forum. Obscurity, how i long for thee!

edit:
psst, AVG uses RFB i think. Kind of a hint!
Subliminal message. "real fleet boat, you know you want it!"

AVGWarhawk · 01-14-08, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fvd

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Historically the sonar could detect sound while surfaced. In the game, it is just waaaayyyyyy to good. Normally for the super sonic head to hear sound, the boat had to be at very slow turns or completely stopped. RFB has addressed this but is not out for release as yet but is coming

. The modders are working in all sorts of goodies and testing is taking place in the back field.

Anyway, I will not tell you what they have done to rectify the all hearing, hearing aid but the after math of what was done forces you to slow down so it you can hear while surfaced. It is not the perfect solution but IMHO feel it is the best solution with what the modders had to work with concerning the sonar while surfaced.

LukeFF is on the case concerning the sonar!

Stay tuned

Thanks AVG!
By the way, what do you use/prefer, TM or RFB?
Best regards,
fvd

I use RFB. Duci was out of the gate first and getting rave review with TM and still is. Beery started RFB and moved on to something else. SWDW approached Beery and asked to pick up were he left off. He got the go ahead. In the spirit of supporting a new member and continuation of modding SH4, I loaded up RFB and have been using it since then. More modders the merrier! All in all, both are great and strive for two different types of play. Makes players happy to have a choice also.

AVGWarhawk · 01-14-08, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Theres a "team working on RFB now instead of just one person?

Sweet!

I hope they ratchet up the bar, so people will go use RFB instead of TM, so im no longer inundated with questions every time i visit the forum. Obscurity, how i long for thee!

edit:
psst, AVG uses RFB i think. Kind of a hint!
Subliminal message. "real fleet boat, you know you want it!"

Yes, there is a team going at it. Contains a lot of new things and some great ideas they are working on now. Definitely working on making it as historical as possible and what the game will allow. I say no more as this is their show and I just test or locate information on things for them

Ducimus · 01-14-08, 03:37 PM

Glad i retired from TM then. "teams" are inheirantly compedative, and i just dont want to go down that busy street again. Ill just give them lip service, and get the hell out of the way instead. :rotfl:

AVGWarhawk · 01-14-08, 03:45 PM

This is very different here Duci. Lurkers RSRD is made to order. The Dave's ROW is made to order. Very much part of the larger mod package. RFB is concentrating on historical accuracy of the subs, weapons and abilities. What bases and when. What sub was available and what type of equipment for the given year. Squish it all together and super mod made to order.

Ducimus · 01-14-08, 03:54 PM

No no dont get me wrong, im acutally very happy about a formal team now. The thing is, i never WANTED, nor MEANT TO create a "supermod". My aim was much lower on the totem pole, to get the game playable.

I think i stuck with it so long, partially out of a sense of finishing what i started, partially from the lack of any team banding together to stand up and kick it up a few notchs.

The ball just kind of bounced how it did, and here i sit with TMaru 1.7.5, and the honest truth is, its become way too much for one person to handle. There are so many little details, so many areas to futher polish, i can't possibly keep track of everything. A team is a neccessity in this regard.

At its core, Tmaru is still Sh4 flavored to taste, and i think its served its purpose. Way i see it, my time is over, and theirs is just starting!

My only pain, is that i know eventaully, a team effort will produce a much better, more detailed modpack then i could provide, and my efforts will eventually fall to the side and be a memory a few years hence, and im fine with that.

Truthfully ive been waiting for this bit of news for a long time now. Two thumbs up to the RFB team!

fvd · 01-14-08, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

No no dont get me wrong, im acutally very happy about a formal team now. The thing is, i never WANTED, nor MEANT TO create a "supermod". My aim was much lower on the totem pole, to get the game playable.

I think i stuck with it so long, partially out of a sense of finishing what i started, partially from the lack of any team banding together to stand up and kick it up a few notchs.

The ball just kind of bounced how it did, and here i sit with TMaru 1.7.5, and the honest truth is, its become way too much for one person to handle. There are so many little details, so many areas to futher polish, i can't possibly keep track of everything. A team is a neccessity in this regard.

At its core, Tmaru is still Sh4 flavored to taste, and i think its served its purpose. Way i see it, my time is over, and theirs is just starting!

My only pain, is that i know eventaully, a team effort will produce a much better, more detailed modpack then i could provide, and my efforts will eventually fall to the side and be a memory a few years hence, and im fine with that.

Truthfully ive been waiting for this bit of news for a long time now. Two thumbs up to the RFB team!

Hi Ducimus,

You sound a bit "bitter" about your own mod and i can understand why.
It's probably been a huge work (most of us will never know how many hours of work and sweat you have been trough to give us this mod) and we are very thankfull for it!
I think it is indeed to much work for one person, maybe your mod ran out of hand for you alone...
Anyway, what i want to say is: i hope you have a positive feeling at the end, despite of all the hard work and the many questions and reactions it returns because you have given SH4 a totally new dimension and made it a better game!

Thanks and best regards,
fvd

Ducimus · 01-14-08, 05:57 PM

Im not bitter, just burnt out, and looking for any excuse to walk away with a clear concious

I really hate walking away/stepping down if there is not another modpack being built and maintained. (notice how zealously i latched on to this threads news about a Team? lol) Since there IS, im quite happy about that. I can have my clear concious.

To go back to the original topic, yes i reduced the min height of the Sub hydrophone sensor so it woudln't pick up surface contacts. I couldnt find a way to make it not so perfect (i didn't spend much time on it either). The sonar as it was, circumvented any need for radar. Since i couldnt find any immediate way to tone it down (i had alot on my plate), i decided to take the easy solution of removed it from the surface altogether. (hence reinforcing the need for SJ radar)

If a better solution has been found, awesome, my hats off. Id be intrested in knowing how they did it, but im not touching it/intergarting anything in the way of TM. It is what it is.

swdw · 01-15-08, 05:04 PM

My wish is that someone would put together a team for TM and let Ducimus take a well deserved rest where he can be one of several contributors once he's recovered from the burnout caused by doing this all alone. No way would I want to be the one and only person working on RFB cuz in a year I'd be ready to quit too.

TM got me hooked on SH4, but having been on subs I tend to gravitate towards the realism end sooner or later, and that's what led me to RFB. This seems to be a common path for most RFB users. TM's better realism from stock makes some of the people want more, so they try RFB.

There really shoudl be a choice of mods. I still feel it would be better for SH4 if it has more than one "supermod" being worked on, where each achieves a different level of play- including a super arcade version for getting 12 year olds hooked. Choice only will make the sim more popular- AVG's said this, Ducimus has said this, and so have others (well, maybe not the part about the arcade version though).

Because not all people want super realism, TM will more than likely be the most used mod if someone is willing to put together a team to work on it too. Future development from a group sharing Ducimus' outlook could only be a good thing.

That said, I now throw down the challenge for someone to get Ducimus' permission to relieve him of being the sole modder on TM and put together a team which keeps him in the loop and can continue with TM, taking it in the direction Ducimus would like to see it head.

BadKarma1001 · 01-25-10, 04:06 PM

Digged up this "old" thread bacause after a long time with RFB i give TMO a try and i was severly disappointed that i got hydrophone contacts from far away while surfaced.
Seems to be still an issue, even with TMO 1.9, never happened with RFB though.

Munchausen · 01-26-10, 06:49 PM

Except that fleet boats actually could pick up sonar while on the surface.

Ducimus · 01-26-10, 06:59 PM

What a fossil.

Yes you can get surface contacts in TMO via hydrophones. But usually, only in poor visiblity. Check the range in game, i think its like 9,000 yards. Most of the time your watch crew see's things by then.

And yes, i reverted because it was indeed possible.

edit:
If you man the hydrophones yourself, you'll hear MUCH farther thne 9000 yards. This is a problem with the game engine. You crewman will only acknowledge things to the specified range, but sounds are still audible from alot farther.

01-13-08, 03:37 PM	#1
fvd Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 178 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sound contacts while surfaced Hi everyone, I know this has been an issue from day one when SH4 came out. The patches that have been released did'nt solve this. But some mod's did, like Trigger_Maru. I've played a while with TM but then i got curious for RFB so i've changed to that now. (along with RSRD) One of the things i noticed is that sound contacts while surfaced are back. I thought RFB was a mod which is historically very corect, isn't it? So now i am wondering why this mod doesn't do anything about these sound contacts? Does this have a reason? Thanks already! fvd __________________ Green persicope crossline's mod

01-13-08, 04:00 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Historically the sonar could detect sound while surfaced. In the game, it is just waaaayyyyyy to good. Normally for the super sonic head to hear sound, the boat had to be at very slow turns or completely stopped. RFB has addressed this but is not out for release as yet but is coming . The modders are working in all sorts of goodies and testing is taking place in the back field. Anyway, I will not tell you what they have done to rectify the all hearing, hearing aid but the after math of what was done forces you to slow down so it you can hear while surfaced. It is not the perfect solution but IMHO feel it is the best solution with what the modders had to work with concerning the sonar while surfaced. LukeFF is on the case concerning the sonar! Stay tuned __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-14-08, 03:45 PM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	This is very different here Duci. Lurkers RSRD is made to order. The Dave's ROW is made to order. Very much part of the larger mod package. RFB is concentrating on historical accuracy of the subs, weapons and abilities. What bases and when. What sub was available and what type of equipment for the given year. Squish it all together and super mod made to order. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-15-08, 05:04 PM	#12
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	My wish is that someone would put together a team for TM and let Ducimus take a well deserved rest where he can be one of several contributors once he's recovered from the burnout caused by doing this all alone. No way would I want to be the one and only person working on RFB cuz in a year I'd be ready to quit too. TM got me hooked on SH4, but having been on subs I tend to gravitate towards the realism end sooner or later, and that's what led me to RFB. This seems to be a common path for most RFB users. TM's better realism from stock makes some of the people want more, so they try RFB. There really shoudl be a choice of mods. I still feel it would be better for SH4 if it has more than one "supermod" being worked on, where each achieves a different level of play- including a super arcade version for getting 12 year olds hooked. Choice only will make the sim more popular- AVG's said this, Ducimus has said this, and so have others (well, maybe not the part about the arcade version though). Because not all people want super realism, TM will more than likely be the most used mod if someone is willing to put together a team to work on it too. Future development from a group sharing Ducimus' outlook could only be a good thing. That said, I now throw down the challenge for someone to get Ducimus' permission to relieve him of being the sole modder on TM and put together a team which keeps him in the loop and can continue with TM, taking it in the direction Ducimus would like to see it head. __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

01-25-10, 04:06 PM	#13
BadKarma1001 Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 55 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Digged up this "old" thread bacause after a long time with RFB i give TMO a try and i was severly disappointed that i got hydrophone contacts from far away while surfaced. Seems to be still an issue, even with TMO 1.9, never happened with RFB though. __________________ Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde

01-14-08, 02:12 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Theres a "team working on RFB now instead of just one person? Sweet! I hope they ratchet up the bar, so people will go use RFB instead of TM, so im no longer inundated with questions every time i visit the forum. Obscurity, how i long for thee! edit: psst, AVG uses RFB i think. Kind of a hint! Subliminal message. "real fleet boat, you know you want it!"

01-14-08, 03:37 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Glad i retired from TM then. "teams" are inheirantly compedative, and i just dont want to go down that busy street again. Ill just give them lip service, and get the hell out of the way instead. :rotfl:

01-14-08, 03:54 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	No no dont get me wrong, im acutally very happy about a formal team now. The thing is, i never WANTED, nor MEANT TO create a "supermod". My aim was much lower on the totem pole, to get the game playable. I think i stuck with it so long, partially out of a sense of finishing what i started, partially from the lack of any team banding together to stand up and kick it up a few notchs. The ball just kind of bounced how it did, and here i sit with TMaru 1.7.5, and the honest truth is, its become way too much for one person to handle. There are so many little details, so many areas to futher polish, i can't possibly keep track of everything. A team is a neccessity in this regard. At its core, Tmaru is still Sh4 flavored to taste, and i think its served its purpose. Way i see it, my time is over, and theirs is just starting! My only pain, is that i know eventaully, a team effort will produce a much better, more detailed modpack then i could provide, and my efforts will eventually fall to the side and be a memory a few years hence, and im fine with that. Truthfully ive been waiting for this bit of news for a long time now. Two thumbs up to the RFB team!

01-14-08, 05:57 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Im not bitter, just burnt out, and looking for any excuse to walk away with a clear concious I really hate walking away/stepping down if there is not another modpack being built and maintained. (notice how zealously i latched on to this threads news about a Team? lol) Since there IS, im quite happy about that. I can have my clear concious. To go back to the original topic, yes i reduced the min height of the Sub hydrophone sensor so it woudln't pick up surface contacts. I couldnt find a way to make it not so perfect (i didn't spend much time on it either). The sonar as it was, circumvented any need for radar. Since i couldnt find any immediate way to tone it down (i had alot on my plate), i decided to take the easy solution of removed it from the surface altogether. (hence reinforcing the need for SJ radar) If a better solution has been found, awesome, my hats off. Id be intrested in knowing how they did it, but im not touching it/intergarting anything in the way of TM. It is what it is.

01-26-10, 06:49 PM	#14
Munchausen Commodore Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 608 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 1	Except that fleet boats actually could pick up sonar while on the surface.

01-26-10, 06:59 PM	#15
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	What a fossil. Yes you can get surface contacts in TMO via hydrophones. But usually, only in poor visiblity. Check the range in game, i think its like 9,000 yards. Most of the time your watch crew see's things by then. And yes, i reverted because it was indeed possible. edit: If you man the hydrophones yourself, you'll hear MUCH farther thne 9000 yards. This is a problem with the game engine. You crewman will only acknowledge things to the specified range, but sounds are still audible from alot farther.