lack of surface battles

Sniper_Fox · 01-13-08, 02:17 AM

ive noticed that there is little to no german or italian presence in the Med... if my memory and history serves me correctly, werent there pretty intense and big naval battles in the med all the time?hence why BdU sent many subs to their deaths through gibraltar to help with the effort there?

yamato9 · 01-13-08, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper_Fox

ive noticed that there is little to no german or italian presence in the Med... if my memory and history serves me correctly, werent there pretty intense and big naval battles in the med all the time?hence why BdU sent many subs to their deaths through gibraltar to help with the effort there?

Correct Sniper Fox.

Battle of Matapan was first example of Mediterranean sea mess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_Matapan

bigboywooly · 01-13-08, 08:04 AM

Yes there is a lack of some surface engagements
But is a sub sim
NO subs were involved in the above mentioned battle

TBH there isnt the correct shipping to script stuff like that
No Warspite\Valiant or Barham on the Br side and no It heavy cruisers Trieste\Trento and Bolzano among others

Sniper_Fox · 01-14-08, 09:49 AM

so mod it in? lol thats the point im gettin at dude... its pretty easy compared to what GWX does to add a few warships and scripted battles, aswell as random warship patrols aswell... run with an german taskforce for a bit and engage another british taskforce?

if you dont think thats cool, then you can take a trip through my torpedo tubes.

joea · 01-14-08, 11:19 AM

First of all there were few German surface warships in the Med, second RTFM there are some surface operations. The problem is that as BBW explained many models are lacking and are NOT easy to add in as you think, second is that being a sub sim, the surface battles are not necessarily going to be very realistic. Finally, no need to be rude-or threaten people by being shot through torpedo tubes.

Jimbuna · 01-15-08, 08:24 AM

Just been flicking through my comics.....dude. Nope can't find any records of there having been any major German surface units in the Med lol

We'll get straight on it

STEED · 01-15-08, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Just been flicking through my comics.....dude. Nope can't find any records of there having been any major German surface units in the Med lol

I was just going to say that, why would Erich Raeder send any of his warships to a British lake? The only ones that may had gone there (but I don't know) could had been the S-Boote.

Sailor Steve · 01-15-08, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper_Fox

so mod it in? lol thats the point im gettin at dude... its pretty easy compared to what GWX does to add a few warships and scripted battles, aswell as random warship patrols aswell... run with an german taskforce for a bit and engage another british taskforce?

if you dont think thats cool, then you can take a trip through my torpedo tubes.

Please, go ahead and mod it in. No one's stopping you.

TarJak · 01-15-08, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper_Fox

so mod it in? lol thats the point im gettin at dude... its pretty easy compared to what GWX does to add a few warships and scripted battles, aswell as random warship patrols aswell... run with an german taskforce for a bit and engage another british taskforce?

if you dont think thats cool, then you can take a trip through my torpedo tubes.

I'm with Steve Go ahead and mod it in if it's so "easy".

If you could be bothered to open up the campaign files that Bigboywooly has so painstakingly put together in the campaign editor you'll notice three things:

1) How much work he's put into scripting the major surface actions in the Atlantic

2) How many British and Italian warships and task forces are already in the Med some of whom come across each others paths at times

3) How much work it is to add a few more scripted battles.

Good luck with your work and we wait to see the result...

Is it ready yet?

Sniper_Fox · 01-16-08, 10:55 PM

give me a tutorial on basic modding and ill start when my exams are done. id be more than happy to learn to mod and join the ranks of you guys... the sh*t you do is insane! and i didnt say it was easy... i made a comparison to adding more warships in the med to a massive overhaul mod...

also, seeing as 99.9% of my patrols have been in the med, why've i never seen a surface engagement?

melnibonian · 01-17-08, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper_Fox

also, seeing as 99.9% of my patrols have been in the med, why've i never seen a surface engagement?

As it was explained above there were not so many surface engagements during WWII in the Med. The Royal Navy was far too powerful for the Italian Fleet to risk an engagement (especially after Taranto in 1940). Most of the activity was conducted by small patrol or torpedo boats and planes attacking convoys.

TarJak · 01-17-08, 02:31 AM

If you hang around between Malta, Sicily and the southern tip of Mainland Italy you MIGHT, be in the right place at the right time when two opposing TF's cross paths. So fare I've seen two such engagements. It is rare but if you are in the right place at the right time you can see it. Matapan which was one of the two major Med surface engagements, is not specifically scripted into GWX for the reasons stated above.

To put them in yourself you can use the campaign editor which has help files that give you everything you need to put the units into the campaign files.

Paajtor · 01-17-08, 02:32 AM

If one wants to see some truely intense surface-battles - not nescessarily in the Med though...which singleplayer-mission would your recommend? (from stock GWX2.0 missions, that is)
(There is a sp-mission called "Italia"...maybe that one, for the Med?)

Jimbuna · 01-17-08, 07:25 AM

IIRC isn't the 'Italia' mission the 3 BB's going over to the allies ? :hmm:

I'll check tonight when I get Home.

joea · 01-17-08, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

IIRC isn't the 'Italia' mission the 3 BB's going over to the allies ? :hmm:

I'll check tonight when I get Home.

Yes it is.

01-13-08, 02:17 AM	#1
Sniper_Fox Engineer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North of Malta, shadowing your pretty little C3 Cargo! Posts: 212 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	lack of surface battles ive noticed that there is little to no german or italian presence in the Med... if my memory and history serves me correctly, werent there pretty intense and big naval battles in the med all the time?hence why BdU sent many subs to their deaths through gibraltar to help with the effort there? __________________ Im a one U-boat wolfpack. Ive hit the bottom of the Mediterranian at 250 metres in my VIIC and brought that babe back up, and still made it back to La Spezia. Ive sunk more destroyers than I have merchants...youll wish you never sailed into U-87s hunting grounds. When you pull into port, dont lull yourself into a false sense of security, your mines and subnets are just a petty challenge for my crew and I.

01-13-08, 08:04 AM	#3
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Yes there is a lack of some surface engagements But is a sub sim NO subs were involved in the above mentioned battle TBH there isnt the correct shipping to script stuff like that No Warspite\Valiant or Barham on the Br side and no It heavy cruisers Trieste\Trento and Bolzano among others __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-14-08, 09:49 AM	#4
Sniper_Fox Engineer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North of Malta, shadowing your pretty little C3 Cargo! Posts: 212 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	so mod it in? lol thats the point im gettin at dude... its pretty easy compared to what GWX does to add a few warships and scripted battles, aswell as random warship patrols aswell... run with an german taskforce for a bit and engage another british taskforce? if you dont think thats cool, then you can take a trip through my torpedo tubes. __________________ Im a one U-boat wolfpack. Ive hit the bottom of the Mediterranian at 250 metres in my VIIC and brought that babe back up, and still made it back to La Spezia. Ive sunk more destroyers than I have merchants...youll wish you never sailed into U-87s hunting grounds. When you pull into port, dont lull yourself into a false sense of security, your mines and subnets are just a petty challenge for my crew and I.

01-15-08, 08:24 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Just been flicking through my comics.....dude. Nope can't find any records of there having been any major German surface units in the Med lol We'll get straight on it __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-16-08, 10:55 PM	#10
Sniper_Fox Engineer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North of Malta, shadowing your pretty little C3 Cargo! Posts: 212 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	give me a tutorial on basic modding and ill start when my exams are done. id be more than happy to learn to mod and join the ranks of you guys... the sh*t you do is insane! and i didnt say it was easy... i made a comparison to adding more warships in the med to a massive overhaul mod... also, seeing as 99.9% of my patrols have been in the med, why've i never seen a surface engagement? __________________ Im a one U-boat wolfpack. Ive hit the bottom of the Mediterranian at 250 metres in my VIIC and brought that babe back up, and still made it back to La Spezia. Ive sunk more destroyers than I have merchants...youll wish you never sailed into U-87s hunting grounds. When you pull into port, dont lull yourself into a false sense of security, your mines and subnets are just a petty challenge for my crew and I.

01-14-08, 11:19 AM	#5
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	First of all there were few German surface warships in the Med, second RTFM there are some surface operations. The problem is that as BBW explained many models are lacking and are NOT easy to add in as you think, second is that being a sub sim, the surface battles are not necessarily going to be very realistic. Finally, no need to be rude-or threaten people by being shot through torpedo tubes.

01-17-08, 02:31 AM	#12
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	If you hang around between Malta, Sicily and the southern tip of Mainland Italy you MIGHT, be in the right place at the right time when two opposing TF's cross paths. So fare I've seen two such engagements. It is rare but if you are in the right place at the right time you can see it. Matapan which was one of the two major Med surface engagements, is not specifically scripted into GWX for the reasons stated above. To put them in yourself you can use the campaign editor which has help files that give you everything you need to put the units into the campaign files.

01-17-08, 02:32 AM	#13
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	If one wants to see some truely intense surface-battles - not nescessarily in the Med though...which singleplayer-mission would your recommend? (from stock GWX2.0 missions, that is) (There is a sp-mission called "Italia"...maybe that one, for the Med?) __________________

01-17-08, 07:25 AM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	IIRC isn't the 'Italia' mission the 3 BB's going over to the allies ? :hmm: I'll check tonight when I get Home. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!