Merged: Prayer Circle/Anti-Christian Agenda

Stealth Hunter · 01-02-08, 04:47 PM

READ THE DESCRIPTION ON THE LEFT FIRST.

This sickens me and disgusts me to no end. Grade-A religious freaks in that town, especially the girl who put her arm around the one who refused to join in (read the description to see what she said).

This is why I hate religion.

AVGWarhawk · 01-02-08, 04:52 PM

Hmmmm....I do not know how they could justify school expulsion for that. Something is fishy here

Stealth Hunter · 01-02-08, 04:58 PM

Small Christian town. I thought about the administrator in school. Wonder if he/she ever really studied the Constitution and Amendments... (*cough* first amendment *cough*)

Ducimus · 01-02-08, 05:14 PM

Unfortunatly i think its a sign of the times we live in, or rather a reaction to it. In recent years (past 10 or so), theres been a wave of religious fundamentalism on the rise. Not sure why, although one could list many reasons for it. What is distressing is how some of our rights are being interppreted these days. To many of these fundamentalists, "Freedom OF religion" does not mean "Freedom FROM Religion", which is a gross abuse of our inalieable rights in order to assert dominance upon our society.

Stealth Hunter · 01-02-08, 05:23 PM

In this day of age, the Constitution and law doesn't seem to man jack-s**t. It's been so grossly gored by these people that it's not even funny... it's just sad.

sonar732 · 01-02-08, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

In this day of age, the Constitution and law doesn't seem to man jack-s**t. It's been so grossly gored by these people that it's not even funny... it's just sad.

As one of your prior post eluded...it goes both ways as both secs claim they are being treated unfairly by the others when it comes to the Constitution.

You are being just as closeminded as we christians are.

Skybird · 01-02-08, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Unfortunatly i think its a sign of the times we live in, or rather a reaction to it. In recent years (past 10 or so), theres been a wave of religious fundamentalism on the rise. Not sure why, although one could list many reasons for it. What is distressing is how some of our rights are being interppreted these days. To many of these fundamentalists, "Freedom OF religion" does not mean "Freedom FROM Religion", which is a gross abuse of our inalieable rights in order to assert dominance upon our society.

Reasons:

People found out that unlimited consumarism doe snot necessarily make you happy.

Peopole found out that capoitalistic ideology does not answer questions that due to man's nature of being a spiritual being (=able to self-reflect and see a context greater than one own's immediate desires) pop up in man's mind necessarily: where do I come from, where do I go? why am I here, how much time do I have? What's the meaning of this cosmos. Victor frankl: a man who has a "why" to live for, will bear every "how" (translate from the German).

people found out that money cares for material needs, but does not satisfy your mind.

Rights and freedoms that has been fought for and emerged well-deseved from our history, did not stop at the blossoming of our culture, but kept on evovling, even beyond what was rteaosnbale and desribale, effecetively turning more and more into partially grotesque pervertions of their former meaning.

Materialism has sowed greed and envy, and made social climate cold. Social disbalances caused a desire to either see a meaning in them, or to change them, or both. People having stones, no hearts in their chest, are not warm.

Our genetical history drives us towards preferring (by tendency) to follow a strong alpha-animal who tells us what to do. Him or his dogma.

silentrunner · 01-02-08, 04:57 PM

I just finished reading a thread about Evangelical war on evolution. People stated that the children in the video were brainwashed to belive something and that it is horrible to teach children that way. If you have seen page 8 of the "who will be the next president of the US" thread; then you would know what I think about religion. Also you would know that I am not a Protestant Evangelical Christian but a devout Roman Catholic and a firm believer of the words of Saint Josemaria Escriva the founder of Opus Dei. I am not silent about my beliefs and ties to Opus Dei so I am no stranger to being ridiculed for my beliefs. Why is it that when a science teacher tells a class full of students that they came from apes and that their life has no significance and just a cycle of life they get a pat on the back. But when a child goes to church or a retreat where someone tells them that they are not just a sack of cells. That they are loved by someone higher than them, that they don't have to worry about death because if they believe they will go to a place without crime and death and war; they are thought of as horrible brainwashing people. Who are destroying the world. Above my desk I have a picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Whenever I see this picture all troubles seem to fade away because I belive that they are only temporary. My brothers in Opus Dei have been criticized for years. Why? Because they teach children to believe that no matter what happens everything will be allright in the end, that they should go to Mass as often as they can. That they should pray the Rosary evryday because the Rosary is the most powerfull weapon at your disposal. If you are not Christian than you do not know what I mean by saying that all seems right with the world when you pray the Rosary. Any body in a different religion knows what I mean about how you feel during prayer. Other theistic religions are criticiszed to. Just because they teach people to look forward to something.

Stealth Hunter · 01-02-08, 05:01 PM

I utterly despise the Evangelicals WITH A GODDAMN PASSION.

You didn't watch this video by chance, did you?

silentrunner · 01-02-08, 05:03 PM

yes in fact I did I don't find any thing wrong with it whatsoever. Oh and why use the LORD's name in vain in you don't believe in him.

Stealth Hunter · 01-02-08, 05:18 PM

I feel sorry for those poor kids.

"Why do you believe in Creationism?"

"Because... because it says that God created the Earth in the Bible..." -Little girl that wasn't even 6-years old

When you start forcing this stuff on kids, then it becomes my business because I won't tolerate it. Hell, it might not be my kid, but I'm not going to let you brainwash such an innocent and helpless child.

I would do the exact opposite. I would sit down with the child and teach them about all the religions man has created. I would tell them about what I believe (in the situation where I'm the parent, of course) and then explain to them that they can choose whatever religion they want, or they don't even have to choose one if they don't want to; I wouldn't force it on them. You'll scare the bejesus out of them by saying, "DON'T LIE, OR YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOR YOUR SINS!!! FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!"

Those teenagers were so brainwashed it wasn't even funny. "Yep, I'm gonna disprove evolution and win a Nobel Prize!" -Gothic looking one

Evangelicals are Grade-A hypocrites (Type-R). They're also stubborn and closed-minded. They go out swinging with all these ideas and say, "We have the answers, good people! Flock to us! Everyone else is wrong! We're right! We know the true lord! Not the other religions! We've seen the light!" They claim that people who don't believe in the Bible are ignoring the facts, while they're ignoring science and truth.

The Bible says a lot of things... and not very clearly... Just remember that God didn't write it, MAN wrote it. Simple, imperfect, microscopic men of the ages...

We're not even a grain of sand in this universe. Other forms of life out there are also bound to have these ideas of Gods, but the chance anyone of them even remotely comes close to nailing what God's plan is over a trillion-billion to .0001.

I also think religion causes more problems than it solves (Romans burning the Christians who then toppled them and sent us into the Dark Ages? The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Salem Witch-Hunts? The Holocaust? Jihadists? How about all the unfair treatment people have endured because their beliefs differ, because they don't fall in line with what society deems "normal"?).

Ducimus · 01-02-08, 05:19 PM

One of these days, the religious establishments of the world will finally get it through their thick skulls this old saying:

"The quickest way to make an enemy of someone, is to try and change them"

Stealth Hunter · 01-02-08, 05:23 PM

Here, here!

silentrunner · 01-02-08, 05:27 PM

All people tak about is non religeous people being treated badly if I was at school and during a class pulled the Rosary out of my pocket and started praying I would most likely be punished in some way. I couldn't get out of my seat and kneel to pray I have to silently pray when I feel I should. But nobody claims that I am being mistreated.

Takeda Shingen · 01-02-08, 06:21 PM

Merged. We don't need two threads to discuss the same core issue. Keep it civil. Keep it reasonable.

The Management

01-02-08, 04:47 PM	#1
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Merged: Prayer Circle/Anti-Christian Agenda READ THE DESCRIPTION ON THE LEFT FIRST. This sickens me and disgusts me to no end. Grade-A religious freaks in that town, especially the girl who put her arm around the one who refused to join in (read the description to see what she said). This is why I hate religion.

01-02-08, 04:52 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Hmmmm....I do not know how they could justify school expulsion for that. Something is fishy here __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-02-08, 04:57 PM	#8
silentrunner Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mind your own business English Types Posts: 334 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Anti-Christian agenda I just finished reading a thread about Evangelical war on evolution. People stated that the children in the video were brainwashed to belive something and that it is horrible to teach children that way. If you have seen page 8 of the "who will be the next president of the US" thread; then you would know what I think about religion. Also you would know that I am not a Protestant Evangelical Christian but a devout Roman Catholic and a firm believer of the words of Saint Josemaria Escriva the founder of Opus Dei. I am not silent about my beliefs and ties to Opus Dei so I am no stranger to being ridiculed for my beliefs. Why is it that when a science teacher tells a class full of students that they came from apes and that their life has no significance and just a cycle of life they get a pat on the back. But when a child goes to church or a retreat where someone tells them that they are not just a sack of cells. That they are loved by someone higher than them, that they don't have to worry about death because if they believe they will go to a place without crime and death and war; they are thought of as horrible brainwashing people. Who are destroying the world. Above my desk I have a picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Whenever I see this picture all troubles seem to fade away because I belive that they are only temporary. My brothers in Opus Dei have been criticized for years. Why? Because they teach children to believe that no matter what happens everything will be allright in the end, that they should go to Mass as often as they can. That they should pray the Rosary evryday because the Rosary is the most powerfull weapon at your disposal. If you are not Christian than you do not know what I mean by saying that all seems right with the world when you pray the Rosary. Any body in a different religion knows what I mean about how you feel during prayer. Other theistic religions are criticiszed to. Just because they teach people to look forward to something. __________________

01-02-08, 05:03 PM	#10
silentrunner Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mind your own business English Types Posts: 334 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	yes in fact I did I don't find any thing wrong with it whatsoever. Oh and why use the LORD's name in vain in you don't believe in him. __________________

01-02-08, 05:27 PM	#14
silentrunner Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mind your own business English Types Posts: 334 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	All people tak about is non religeous people being treated badly if I was at school and during a class pulled the Rosary out of my pocket and started praying I would most likely be punished in some way. I couldn't get out of my seat and kneel to pray I have to silently pray when I feel I should. But nobody claims that I am being mistreated. __________________

01-02-08, 04:58 PM	#3
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Small Christian town. I thought about the administrator in school. Wonder if he/she ever really studied the Constitution and Amendments... (cough first amendment cough)

01-02-08, 05:14 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Unfortunatly i think its a sign of the times we live in, or rather a reaction to it. In recent years (past 10 or so), theres been a wave of religious fundamentalism on the rise. Not sure why, although one could list many reasons for it. What is distressing is how some of our rights are being interppreted these days. To many of these fundamentalists, "Freedom OF religion" does not mean "Freedom FROM Religion", which is a gross abuse of our inalieable rights in order to assert dominance upon our society.

01-02-08, 05:23 PM	#5
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	In this day of age, the Constitution and law doesn't seem to man jack-s**t. It's been so grossly gored by these people that it's not even funny... it's just sad.

01-02-08, 05:01 PM	#9
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I utterly despise the Evangelicals WITH A GODDAMN PASSION. You didn't watch this video by chance, did you?

01-02-08, 05:18 PM	#11
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I feel sorry for those poor kids. "Why do you believe in Creationism?" "Because... because it says that God created the Earth in the Bible..." -Little girl that wasn't even 6-years old When you start forcing this stuff on kids, then it becomes my business because I won't tolerate it. Hell, it might not be my kid, but I'm not going to let you brainwash such an innocent and helpless child. I would do the exact opposite. I would sit down with the child and teach them about all the religions man has created. I would tell them about what I believe (in the situation where I'm the parent, of course) and then explain to them that they can choose whatever religion they want, or they don't even have to choose one if they don't want to; I wouldn't force it on them. You'll scare the bejesus out of them by saying, "DON'T LIE, OR YOU'LL BURN IN HELL FOR YOUR SINS!!! FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!" Those teenagers were so brainwashed it wasn't even funny. "Yep, I'm gonna disprove evolution and win a Nobel Prize!" -Gothic looking one Evangelicals are Grade-A hypocrites (Type-R). They're also stubborn and closed-minded. They go out swinging with all these ideas and say, "We have the answers, good people! Flock to us! Everyone else is wrong! We're right! We know the true lord! Not the other religions! We've seen the light!" They claim that people who don't believe in the Bible are ignoring the facts, while they're ignoring science and truth. The Bible says a lot of things... and not very clearly... Just remember that God didn't write it, MAN wrote it. Simple, imperfect, microscopic men of the ages... We're not even a grain of sand in this universe. Other forms of life out there are also bound to have these ideas of Gods, but the chance anyone of them even remotely comes close to nailing what God's plan is over a trillion-billion to .0001. I also think religion causes more problems than it solves (Romans burning the Christians who then toppled them and sent us into the Dark Ages? The Crusades? The Inquisition? The Salem Witch-Hunts? The Holocaust? Jihadists? How about all the unfair treatment people have endured because their beliefs differ, because they don't fall in line with what society deems "normal"?).

01-02-08, 05:19 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	One of these days, the religious establishments of the world will finally get it through their thick skulls this old saying: "The quickest way to make an enemy of someone, is to try and change them"

01-02-08, 06:21 PM	#15
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Merged. We don't need two threads to discuss the same core issue. Keep it civil. Keep it reasonable. The Management