I guess the US is going to war with the Indians once more.

SUBMAN1 · 12-20-07, 08:50 PM

Let the bloodshed start! Doubt there will be a Custers last stand on this one.

The Cannook indians tried this not to long ago, and the Canook military sent tanks to deal with it. Same thing will probably happen with the US too. Not kidding though - someone will probably die over this, if not many.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...-withdraw.html

-X

Reaves · 12-20-07, 08:59 PM

Irony:

The United States, a nation built upon the idea of freedom and liberty, born from the need to split apart from a power hungary empire, will now try and stop an Indian nation that seeks freedom and independance from forming.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Good luck to them but it's not going to work.

Letum · 12-20-07, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaves

Irony:

The United States, a nation built upon the idea of freedom and liberty, born from the need to split apart from a power hungary empire, will now try and stop an Indian nation that seeks freedom and independance from forming.

There's a nail hit on the head!

Ducimus · 12-20-07, 09:08 PM

*shrug* kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's.

SUBMAN1 · 12-20-07, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

*shrug* kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's.

Its funny to listen to Europeans on the issuse, but I have to say, you hit the nail on the head.

Canadian's eventually had to take it seriously due to violence. In the end, only the indians lost anything.

-S

Letum · 12-20-07, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

*shrug* kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's.

Its funny to listen to Europeans on the issuse, but I have to say, you hit the nail on the head.

Canadian's eventually had to take it seriously due to violence. In the end, only the indians lost anything.

-S

....why not just let them declare independence like America did from the UK?

No violence then!

Chock · 12-20-07, 09:22 PM

Well, everyone keeps accusing George Bush of being a cowboy, and since John Wayne aint around any more, maybe his time has come. Time to 'circle the limos' Dubya...

Mind you, I suspect that the Native Americans might have a bit of a tougher time versus the US Cavalry on this occasion, since they've now got Apaches, Iroqouis, Blackhawks and Sioux, etc on their side too :rotfl:

Chock

Ducimus · 12-20-07, 09:23 PM

Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.

sonar732 · 12-20-07, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.

Yet, you have some tribes with suicide and alcholism rates 3x that of the 'white man'? Are they not aware of these perks?

Reaves · 12-20-07, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.

Similar thing over here but without the casinos. Aboriginals receive free education and financial aid without a question.

I certainly would not agree with an Aboriginal nation springing up over here, I know it sounds harsh but there are reasons. I feel the same would apply for this Indian nation in the USA.

1. Crime, the level of crime in Aboriginal communities is ridiculous and no body wants to touch it because they might be seen as racist or something. Alcohol is a very large problem in West and Northern Australia.

2. I'm sorry your land was taken but that wasn't me. This is now Australia, if England hadn't colonised it someone else would have. That's how the world works and it was a lot worse back then. This is Australia, it is our home, our native land, not just yours.

3. It'll only end up in a mess that the government will have to clean up which means tax payers money being wasted.

I'm sure there are other reasons but it's my last day before holidays and i've got work to do!

SUBMAN1 · 12-20-07, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sonar732

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.

Yet, you have some tribes with suicide and alcholism rates 3x that of the 'white man'? Are they not aware of these perks?

Not my problem if they can't handle their alc!

That is the problem. Problem is, the US Government can't regulate alc on their land either. They have total authority themselves.

Seems to me, to leave them to their own devices like we have, produces suicide and alcholism at 3x the rate of white man! But since we can't regulate, nothing we can do about it.

I guess you have no sympathy from me on this issue.

-S

PS. One more thing, their bodies are less tolerant of alcohol than white man as you put it. Our livers are accustomed to it, theirs are not, so you could probably double one of them in a drinking contest.

PPS. Weird that they already operate as an independant country, yet they want to leave anyway?

PPPS. They don't even pay taxes like us either.

Torplexed · 12-20-07, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

PPS. Weird that they already operate as an independant country, yet they want to leave anyway?

The Federal government tends to take a dim view of break-away movements even if they claim themselves to be sovereign nations. Wonder if they'll fare better than the fabled Dixie Tribe? :hmm:

SUBMAN1 · 12-20-07, 09:54 PM

Yep - you would know well how they get away with anything too. You live in a city that caters to their very whim.

How many people here know that an Indian can murder you if on tribal land, and if the chief of the tribe decides that he shouldn't be punished for whatever reason, he can pardon him? Nothing the cops can even do about it.

They already operate an independant country within a country.

-S

Torplexed · 12-20-07, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

They already operate an independant country within a country.

-S

Yeah..I hear ya. Makah "Whalers". Enough said. :p

Ducimus · 12-20-07, 10:08 PM

As an aside, I dont think anyone from England should be wagging their fingers at our nations history, not even the nice black spots such as how the native americans were treated, or even any rehtoric about "imperialism" . As i recall, the phrase at one time was, "The sun never sets on the british empire" ? eh what?!

12-20-07, 08:50 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I guess the US is going to war with the Indians once more. Let the bloodshed start! Doubt there will be a Custers last stand on this one. The Cannook indians tried this not to long ago, and the Canook military sent tanks to deal with it. Same thing will probably happen with the US too. Not kidding though - someone will probably die over this, if not many. http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...-withdraw.html -X __________________

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Reaves The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,509 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Irony: The United States, a nation built upon the idea of freedom and liberty, born from the need to split apart from a power hungary empire, will now try and stop an Indian nation that seeks freedom and independance from forming. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Good luck to them but it's not going to work. __________________

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Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, everyone keeps accusing George Bush of being a cowboy, and since John Wayne aint around any more, maybe his time has come. Time to 'circle the limos' Dubya... Mind you, I suspect that the Native Americans might have a bit of a tougher time versus the US Cavalry on this occasion, since they've now got Apaches, Iroqouis, Blackhawks and Sioux, etc on their side too :rotfl: Chock __________________

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yep - you would know well how they get away with anything too. You live in a city that caters to their very whim. How many people here know that an Indian can murder you if on tribal land, and if the chief of the tribe decides that he shouldn't be punished for whatever reason, he can pardon him? Nothing the cops can even do about it. They already operate an independant country within a country. -S __________________

12-20-07, 09:08 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	shrug kinda hard to take it seriously. Just alot of poltical mumbo jumbo seems like to me. And if they bascially withdraw themselves from the united states of america, so what? They were here before us, if they want to puff up their chest to preserve their culture, ... meh... Besides, most tribes stick it to the white man every day... in the form of casino's.

12-20-07, 09:23 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Hell, being an native american has a boatload of perks. Free college paid for by the goverment last i heard, their rolling in dough on their tribal lands due to casino's they can leagally run as US goverment regulations like "no casino'" don't apply to them. The proceeds (IE millons) are distrubuted throughout the tribe in some places. I don't think they can be drafted, :hmm: not sure on that but thats what ive heard from someplace.

12-20-07, 10:08 PM	#15
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	As an aside, I dont think anyone from England should be wagging their fingers at our nations history, not even the nice black spots such as how the native americans were treated, or even any rehtoric about "imperialism" . As i recall, the phrase at one time was, "The sun never sets on the british empire" ? eh what?!