Sequels in movies and games - I am sick of it

SUBMAN1 · 11-18-07, 05:00 PM

Just finished Crysis. Played through on Delta, and still beat it in 2 days. But its length is not what annoys me, it is the fact that is leaves the story HANGING.

What is it with movies and games these days? I am getting sick and tired of playing through something, only to be halfway done, or not even half way. Movies, too - last James Bond for example, left you with only part of the story.

I don't mind sequels. The problem is, don't leave it so the story so unfinished!!! This story is clearly not done on Crysis. Only half the battle is.

The proper way to make a sequel is to only give a hint that it might continue or might not. Not a something so clearly unfinished.

My point is, something so clearly half finished feels just that - half done as a product. It leaves you feeling completely unsatisfied as a gamer since you have accomplished nothing. The ending almost feels like a waste of time.

Just my 2 cents.

-S

XabbaRus · 11-18-07, 06:23 PM

Mostly I agree with you but with Casino Royale the ending was well done. Bond has been reinvented as to who he should be, a proper person instead of some cartoon cutout. It was always known Casino Royale would be the first of the new bond outings so a sequel is inevitable. Also with the Bond character returning to how Fleming saw him we see a pissed Bond going off for revenge.

For the rest though I think you are right.

Chock · 11-18-07, 06:39 PM

Got to agree with Xabba on the last Bond flick. It was outstanding in my opinion, definitely the best one there has ever been in finally getting away from all that preposterous one-liner innuendo stuff - a feature that made it seem like 'Carry on Bond' when the series was at its nadir with Roger Moore in the role.

The last Bond movie was great as a set up for a new take on matters which will see it rival more 'serious' action flicks. Even the music was scored with that scenario in mind, slowly building throughout the film to the recognisable Bond musical motif, which eventually played as the character announced himself right in the closing scene as a newly reborn take on Fleming's books with a more serious slant.

Give me that any day over stupid invisible Aston Martins, ice palaces, Lotus submarines or John Cleese trying to turn it into a farce instead of Desmond Llewelyn's wonderfully dry performances.

Chock

SUBMAN1 · 11-18-07, 07:43 PM

I have to say, I disagree with you both. The Bond flick throughout was a refresher - this part I agree, but the hanging ending made it unsatisfying. If I had known, I would have waited till the second flick hit and watched them both back to back on DVD.

I liked the direction the Bond series has taken, but hate the ending with a passion.

Also - bring back Q already!!!

-S

11-18-07, 10:34 PM

Well imagine a silent hunter game that ends in 1944...

Thats pretty much the same as what many games these days do, the just end without conclusion. I havent looked at sales figures but I guess it sells the sequels.
Back in the day, you`d buy a sequel for the simple fact that the first game was good. Like the total war series (although i feel medieval2 tw was a step backwards, and the upcoming title is in a boring era).

kiwi_2005 · 11-18-07, 11:34 PM

Crysis SP is really for the noobs, its all about the Sandbox editor and Multiplayer. Dont worry bout the SP get making your own maps

. Ive had Crysis for just over 3 days i haven't even touched the SP, dont really intend too either.

SUBMAN1 · 11-19-07, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Crysis SP is really for the noobs, its all about the Sandbox editor and Multiplayer. Dont worry bout the SP get making your own maps

. Ive had Crysis for just over 3 days i haven't even touched the SP, dont really intend too either.

I'm just the opposite. I like a good book and a good game. Part of a good game to me is a good story. Crysis has about a B- rating on the story line, but it is good enough to make me want to complete it.

The MP will be entertaining for a hour or two, until I get the hang of it. Then people will accuse me of cheating because I make so many head shots or some other stupid thing. Kind of spoils it for me. Too many noobs in the MP arena, so I kind of think that MP is for noobs. If I want MP, I'd buy COD4 or something.

-S

Chock · 11-19-07, 12:20 AM

I think you're right on there Subman, it's fair enough to expect a challenge in a game such as this, since it is billed as such. You have to say, if they'd let it be known that the 'game' was merely an extended training level in preparation for playing online and making your own maps, I'm sure it would discourage buyers. One of the reasons I rarely play IL-2 online is that I used to get accused of cheating because I used to kick people's asses all the time, simply because I had bothered to learn and employ the best tactics, so I often prefer offline games too, and I generally prefer co-operative stuff against decent AI when online.

I'm all for sophisticated mission/map designers being packaged with a game (it's one of the reasons I bought ARMA, and I actually only bought the mission disk for that so I'd get the DC-3 to put in my own missions), but if the mission and level designer is so good, I think you've a right to expect the developers to have put it to good use with an engrossing plotline that takes more than a couple of days to complete.

Chock

kiwi_2005 · 11-19-07, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Crysis SP is really for the noobs, its all about the Sandbox editor and Multiplayer. Dont worry bout the SP get making your own maps

. Ive had Crysis for just over 3 days i haven't even touched the SP, dont really intend too either.

I'm just the opposite. I like a good book and a good game. Part of a good game to me is a good story. Crysis has about a B- rating on the story line, but it is good enough to make me want to complete it.

The MP will be entertaining for a hour or two, until I get the hang of it. Then people will accuse me of cheating because I make so many head shots or some other stupid thing. Kind of spoils it for me. Too many noobs in the MP arena, so I kind of think that MP is for noobs. If I want MP, I'd buy COD4 or something.

-S

Fear enough, COD4 lol, thats noob central in MP, spawn camp and kill kill kill in a match,

No i will get round to playing Crysis SP its one i mustn't pass on, yet I really got crysis cause of the editor, have you tried out the sandbox editor? Very easy to use i say this cause im no wise guy when it comes to map making, but like farcrys editor Crysis one is a blast to play around with your world is formed in front of you then click and play while you create. Brilliant. Its easy to use for a noob mapper like me

The problem with COD4 is that your ranking is to easy. Its like playing a console game!

SUBMAN1 · 11-24-07, 08:30 PM

After I am done with recording my way through I will check the sandbox editor. Crysis seems to have some potential for cumunity made maps.

Radtgaeb · 11-24-07, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Just finished Crysis. Played through on Delta, and still beat it in 2 days. But its length is not what annoys me, it is the fact that is leaves the story HANGING.

What is it with movies and games these days? I am getting sick and tired of playing through something, only to be halfway done, or not even half way. Movies, too - last James Bond for example, left you with only part of the story.

I don't mind sequels. The problem is, don't leave it so the story so unfinished!!! This story is clearly not done on Crysis. Only half the battle is.

The proper way to make a sequel is to only give a hint that it might continue or might not. Not a something so clearly unfinished.

My point is, something so clearly half finished feels just that - half done as a product. It leaves you feeling completely unsatisfied as a gamer since you have accomplished nothing. The ending almost feels like a waste of time.

Just my 2 cents.

-S

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TteFAboB · 11-24-07, 10:52 PM

And I heart yours.

pugwash1 · 11-24-07, 11:15 PM

Talking about being dissapointed with the first bond movie makes no sense to me, surely you go into Casino Royale already knowing the story! it's an old book.... we already know what happens.. Duh. I thought it was a great interpretation of the original story, what a start too, no rockets or silly stuff, just super stunts and great filming.
I agree with the other stuff though, for a game to just end open and un-finished is like a slap in the face, yes it is nice to carry on the franchise but can't it be done as a complete and satisfying chapter, kind of like a old (black and white) flash gordon movie, you go to see the movie because you love the content but each and every movie is an end to its self.
That is why I like the silent hunter programs, you can play away for ever, each night is different and depending on your mood the way you play can change, if you want to be a risk taker then off you go, or on the other hand do the same scenario as a cold cunning killer with all the time in the world. I tried the Call of Duty game and you can vary somewhat but when push comes to shove the thing is quite predictable... and what is with winning the darn game and no balloons? Just over, I would have thought they could have wrapped it up more satisfying.
Thanks for the thought provoking thread guys. And how about something with a better royal navy presence, I love my adopted country but it would be nice to run an old "T" class sub or run a Leander class frigate from the 70's chasing a ruskie sub!

The WosMan · 11-25-07, 12:32 AM

The only sequel movies that worked was Godfather 2 and Terminator 2 and maybe Aliens.

XabbaRus · 11-25-07, 05:04 AM

About online play subsim aviators had a squad on Wings Over Europe but we lost interest I think, well I did. One reason was that no one on your side would help you. I'm not the best fighter pilot so I go for strike missions and ask for escort. Did I get it, once. The only times I got help was when othe subsimemrs were online and we met up. Also there was one idiot who even though on your side would wait for you to take off and shoot you down just as you put wheels up.

Too many glory hunters in IL-2 online. At least the coop me Hunter, Kratos and Dowly have is fun and we work together mostly.

11-18-07, 05:00 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sequels in movies and games - I am sick of it Just finished Crysis. Played through on Delta, and still beat it in 2 days. But its length is not what annoys me, it is the fact that is leaves the story HANGING. What is it with movies and games these days? I am getting sick and tired of playing through something, only to be halfway done, or not even half way. Movies, too - last James Bond for example, left you with only part of the story. I don't mind sequels. The problem is, don't leave it so the story so unfinished!!! This story is clearly not done on Crysis. Only half the battle is. The proper way to make a sequel is to only give a hint that it might continue or might not. Not a something so clearly unfinished. My point is, something so clearly half finished feels just that - half done as a product. It leaves you feeling completely unsatisfied as a gamer since you have accomplished nothing. The ending almost feels like a waste of time. Just my 2 cents. -S __________________

11-18-07, 06:23 PM	#2
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Mostly I agree with you but with Casino Royale the ending was well done. Bond has been reinvented as to who he should be, a proper person instead of some cartoon cutout. It was always known Casino Royale would be the first of the new bond outings so a sequel is inevitable. Also with the Bond character returning to how Fleming saw him we see a pissed Bond going off for revenge. For the rest though I think you are right. __________________

11-18-07, 06:39 PM	#3
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Got to agree with Xabba on the last Bond flick. It was outstanding in my opinion, definitely the best one there has ever been in finally getting away from all that preposterous one-liner innuendo stuff - a feature that made it seem like 'Carry on Bond' when the series was at its nadir with Roger Moore in the role. The last Bond movie was great as a set up for a new take on matters which will see it rival more 'serious' action flicks. Even the music was scored with that scenario in mind, slowly building throughout the film to the recognisable Bond musical motif, which eventually played as the character announced himself right in the closing scene as a newly reborn take on Fleming's books with a more serious slant. Give me that any day over stupid invisible Aston Martins, ice palaces, Lotus submarines or John Cleese trying to turn it into a farce instead of Desmond Llewelyn's wonderfully dry performances. Chock __________________

11-18-07, 07:43 PM	#4
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have to say, I disagree with you both. The Bond flick throughout was a refresher - this part I agree, but the hanging ending made it unsatisfying. If I had known, I would have waited till the second flick hit and watched them both back to back on DVD. I liked the direction the Bond series has taken, but hate the ending with a passion. Also - bring back Q already!!! -S __________________

11-18-07, 11:34 PM	#6
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Crysis SP is really for the noobs, its all about the Sandbox editor and Multiplayer. Dont worry bout the SP get making your own maps. Ive had Crysis for just over 3 days i haven't even touched the SP, dont really intend too either. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

11-18-07, 10:34 PM	#5
Swede Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well imagine a silent hunter game that ends in 1944... Thats pretty much the same as what many games these days do, the just end without conclusion. I havent looked at sales figures but I guess it sells the sequels. Back in the day, you`d buy a sequel for the simple fact that the first game was good. Like the total war series (although i feel medieval2 tw was a step backwards, and the upcoming title is in a boring era).

11-19-07, 12:20 AM	#8
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think you're right on there Subman, it's fair enough to expect a challenge in a game such as this, since it is billed as such. You have to say, if they'd let it be known that the 'game' was merely an extended training level in preparation for playing online and making your own maps, I'm sure it would discourage buyers. One of the reasons I rarely play IL-2 online is that I used to get accused of cheating because I used to kick people's asses all the time, simply because I had bothered to learn and employ the best tactics, so I often prefer offline games too, and I generally prefer co-operative stuff against decent AI when online. I'm all for sophisticated mission/map designers being packaged with a game (it's one of the reasons I bought ARMA, and I actually only bought the mission disk for that so I'd get the DC-3 to put in my own missions), but if the mission and level designer is so good, I think you've a right to expect the developers to have put it to good use with an engrossing plotline that takes more than a couple of days to complete. Chock __________________

11-24-07, 08:30 PM	#10
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	After I am done with recording my way through I will check the sandbox editor. Crysis seems to have some potential for cumunity made maps. __________________

11-24-07, 10:52 PM	#12
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	And I heart yours. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

11-24-07, 11:15 PM	#13
pugwash1 Watch Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: delaware Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Talking about being dissapointed with the first bond movie makes no sense to me, surely you go into Casino Royale already knowing the story! it's an old book.... we already know what happens.. Duh. I thought it was a great interpretation of the original story, what a start too, no rockets or silly stuff, just super stunts and great filming. I agree with the other stuff though, for a game to just end open and un-finished is like a slap in the face, yes it is nice to carry on the franchise but can't it be done as a complete and satisfying chapter, kind of like a old (black and white) flash gordon movie, you go to see the movie because you love the content but each and every movie is an end to its self. That is why I like the silent hunter programs, you can play away for ever, each night is different and depending on your mood the way you play can change, if you want to be a risk taker then off you go, or on the other hand do the same scenario as a cold cunning killer with all the time in the world. I tried the Call of Duty game and you can vary somewhat but when push comes to shove the thing is quite predictable... and what is with winning the darn game and no balloons? Just over, I would have thought they could have wrapped it up more satisfying. Thanks for the thought provoking thread guys. And how about something with a better royal navy presence, I love my adopted country but it would be nice to run an old "T" class sub or run a Leander class frigate from the 70's chasing a ruskie sub! __________________ Pugwash the "good-bad" pirate man. Grrr

11-25-07, 12:32 AM	#14
The WosMan Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OH Posts: 332 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	The only sequel movies that worked was Godfather 2 and Terminator 2 and maybe Aliens.

11-25-07, 05:04 AM	#15
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	About online play subsim aviators had a squad on Wings Over Europe but we lost interest I think, well I did. One reason was that no one on your side would help you. I'm not the best fighter pilot so I go for strike missions and ask for escort. Did I get it, once. The only times I got help was when othe subsimemrs were online and we met up. Also there was one idiot who even though on your side would wait for you to take off and shoot you down just as you put wheels up. Too many glory hunters in IL-2 online. At least the coop me Hunter, Kratos and Dowly have is fun and we work together mostly. __________________