Maru vs. Small Merchant

sqk7744 · 11-04-07, 03:39 PM

We're chatting about the following question over at the KillFlags mod thread:

What Tonnage defines a Maru from a small merchant?

Is a Maru over 500 Tons as it appears here?

Chiyo Maru Cargo 657 tons:
http://www.ibiblio.net/hyperwar////J...-Losses-4.html

And, is a Gun Boat a Warship?

Thanks!

THE_MASK · 11-04-07, 04:02 PM

Why havnt i ever seen this site before
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php?language=E&period=

sqk7744 · 11-04-07, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

Why havnt i ever seen this site before
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php?language=E&period=

Wow Sober!

Great link

Sailor Steve · 11-04-07, 04:42 PM

'Maru' is just a designation. It can be applied to any merchant ship, large or small.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...ng_conventions

Torplexed · 11-04-07, 05:22 PM

To muddy the waters further a lot of Japanese minelayers had the designation maru as well, being former merchant vessels. They also converted a lot of merchants into gunboats and landing ships which kept their maru name suffix.

I'd say a gunboat counts as a warship. Has a gun.

letterboy1 · 11-04-07, 05:23 PM

I'm not sure how to vote except that I'd like to find out if there was a US Navy convention that was adhered to for differentiating among the various kill sizes.

THE_MASK · 11-04-07, 05:26 PM

Nah , i just seen a patrol log on the net where an 83 tonner was classed as a maru . Maybe for the sake of killflags and SH4 , class anything that says its a sampan to be a small merchant . Everything else a maru . Battleships is another story .

Argus00 · 11-04-07, 06:03 PM

I've also seen US patrol logs listing Marus from 82 tons to 8,800 tons. Voted for over 500 tons since I don't bother sinking anything lighter anymore.

As for the gunboat, if it carries a gun and is "enlisted" in a Navy, it's a warship, as opposed to an armed merchant which also carries one or more guns but is enlisted in the Merchant Marine ranks.

MorganThePirate · 11-04-07, 07:40 PM

The Maru language, one of several spoken among the Kachin people in Myanmar/Burma and China. The Japanese name for a circle, which is used to mean "correct". Maru (丸) is Japanese abailey (castle wall). The word maru is often attached as a suffix to Japanese ship names regardless of tonnage.

sqk7744 · 11-05-07, 10:30 AM

Thanks Gents!

Peto · 11-05-07, 10:42 AM

To my recollection, US Subs could only add a flag for ships over 500 tons. Otherwise they were considered as miscellaneous craft.

View Poll Results: How heavy is a Maru?
Maru is over 1000 Tons	9	50.00%
Maru is over 500 Tons	9	50.00%
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11-04-07, 03:39 PM	#1
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	What's the difference: Maru vs. Small Merchant? We're chatting about the following question over at the KillFlags mod thread: What Tonnage defines a Maru from a small merchant? Is a Maru over 500 Tons as it appears here? Chiyo Maru Cargo 657 tons: http://www.ibiblio.net/hyperwar////J...-Losses-4.html And, is a Gun Boat a Warship? Thanks! __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial Last edited by sqk7744; 11-04-07 at 08:37 PM.

11-04-07, 04:42 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	'Maru' is just a designation. It can be applied to any merchant ship, large or small. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...ng_conventions __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-04-07, 05:22 PM	#5
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	To muddy the waters further a lot of Japanese minelayers had the designation maru as well, being former merchant vessels. They also converted a lot of merchants into gunboats and landing ships which kept their maru name suffix. I'd say a gunboat counts as a warship. Has a gun. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

11-04-07, 05:23 PM	#6
letterboy1 Captain Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Columbus, GA, USA Posts: 525 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure how to vote except that I'd like to find out if there was a US Navy convention that was adhered to for differentiating among the various kill sizes. __________________ Asus P8 Z68 Deluxe MoBo Intel Core i7 @ 4.4 GHz 16 GB RAM EVGA GTX Titan Black 1.5 T-byte HDD Antec 1 KW True Power Quattro PS

11-04-07, 04:02 PM	#2
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Why havnt i ever seen this site before http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php?language=E&period=

11-04-07, 05:26 PM	#7
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Nah , i just seen a patrol log on the net where an 83 tonner was classed as a maru . Maybe for the sake of killflags and SH4 , class anything that says its a sampan to be a small merchant . Everything else a maru . Battleships is another story .

11-04-07, 06:03 PM	#8
Argus00 Sparky Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 153 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I've also seen US patrol logs listing Marus from 82 tons to 8,800 tons. Voted for over 500 tons since I don't bother sinking anything lighter anymore. As for the gunboat, if it carries a gun and is "enlisted" in a Navy, it's a warship, as opposed to an armed merchant which also carries one or more guns but is enlisted in the Merchant Marine ranks. __________________ ________________________ Semper ubi sub ubi ubique.

11-04-07, 07:40 PM	#9
MorganThePirate Mate Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: On battle stations in sunny AZ Posts: 54 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Maru The Maru language, one of several spoken among the Kachin people in Myanmar/Burma and China. The Japanese name for a circle, which is used to mean "correct". Maru (丸) is Japanese abailey (castle wall). The word maru is often attached as a suffix to Japanese ship names regardless of tonnage.

11-05-07, 10:30 AM	#10
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Thanks Gents! __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial

11-05-07, 10:42 AM	#11
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	To my recollection, US Subs could only add a flag for ships over 500 tons. Otherwise they were considered as miscellaneous craft.