Cold war anyone??

Bulkhead · 10-21-07, 05:14 PM

A vote on this site its a question of what the next Silent Hunter series would be.
And the question is what era the game should be about. The cold war.

Say if the game was to be made, What would the missions be like? "Follow that sub sir". Or something like: mission objectives, spy on a russian missile sub.

To make a game like this interresting to play i think is difficult. alot more parameters is needed.

During the cold war there was no shooting of torpedoes or anything, they just followed ecthother.

In short: the cold war was no real "war"!! Get my point??

All of this is from my point of wiev, feel free to have a totally other meaning about it.

I would love to know what you guys think would make a game like that fun and interresting to play

Rockin Robbins · 10-21-07, 07:22 PM

Backgammon, poker and foosball in the crew's lounge.

Captain Vlad · 10-21-07, 10:25 PM

I think to keep most people's interest you'd almost have to have a hypothetical war situation.

It might, however, be possible to have several hypothetical war scenarios to involve yourself in, from a limited war around some Soviet or US client state to full-blown WWIII. I might also be possible to have the option to start a career during peacetime, and war starting at some random point during...you might get in a patrol or two doing peacetime stuff before the balloon goes up.

If anyone remembers F-19 Stealth Fighter, it had options for 'Cold War' scenarios, which were the same, objective wise, as most of the open war assignements, but were scored differently. You no longer recieved points for destroying oppurtunity targets, you recieved them for remaining undetected by the enemy. Peacetime missions for a Cold War SH V could use similar logic, with higher renown rewards for doing whatever it is you're doing and no one spotting you.

The possibilities for historical scenarios are great. Trips under the North Pole and such.

I do hope that if Ubi-Soft decided to do such a thing, they put the era in the '50's and early '60's. GUPPY conversions, early nuke boats, and new-build diesel submarines of the era are far more interesting to me than more current stuff, which has had it's time in simulation sun many times anyway.

Powerthighs · 10-21-07, 10:42 PM

F-19 Stealth Fighter was the bomb.

One awesome aspect: If you were empty of ordinance and low on fuel, you could go up to 30,000 feet, turn off your engines, and maintain level flight.

That allowed you to trade fuel for weapons in your loadout.

Captain Vlad · 10-22-07, 02:26 AM

If I get onto a 'they don't make 'em like they used to' rant, F-19 is inevitably one of the games I mention.

It's also the reason I can still recognize portions of the Libyan and Iranian coastlines if they're 'flashcarded' to me.

Q3ark · 10-22-07, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Backgammon, poker and foosball in the crew's lounge.

oh oh oh do you think this could be modded into SH4 :p

Rockin Robbins · 10-22-07, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Q3ark

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Backgammon, poker and foosball in the crew's lounge.

oh oh oh do you think this could be modded into SH4 :p

With a full load of 24 torpedoes, there's not enough room for the foosball table, even in a Balao, unless you take the radars out of the conning tower or the stove out of the galley. Admiral Lockwood denied both requests.

swdw · 10-22-07, 07:54 AM

Yep, you'd need a war of some kind. Tailing a soviet alpha ( or a chinese type 93 these days) does not hold the same tension it does in real life. Neither does playing an agressor boat with your own people or getting close enough to the coast to pick up radio traffic for your onboard spooks. Just not the same . . .

Red Storm Rising was fun because you had to fight. Not many people toaday would buy into a US / Russian confrontation considering the condition of the Russian Navy. A fictional confrontation set in the past would not draw a whole lot of users. Nowadays you'd have to call it "Dragon rising", put it 20 years in the future against a Chinese fleet much larger than they have today. (And make no mistake, unless something changes, there will be a day we will be faced with this option. The Chinese are even more patient than the desert people, and they want Taiwan back- regardless of what they say publicly. They have been quoted as saying the biggest barrier to them moving into Taiwan is the US Navy. That one sentence explains their current building program.)

TDK1044 · 10-22-07, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

I think to keep most people's interest you'd almost have to have a hypothetical war situation.

I think it's entirely possible that with the addition of the expansion pack for Silent Hunter 4, Ubisoft may close the book on the Silent Hunter series for now and choose to create a hypothetical modern day war sim as its next offering.

To the casual gamer, this would be much more attractive than revisiting WWII once again, and prior to WWII, there is not enough to interest the largest section of the game buying demographic.

So, in my opinion, I don't think we'll see Silent Hunter 5 any time soon, but I do think we may see a good modern day Naval sim.

:FI:Rabitski · 10-22-07, 08:22 AM

Well the market is wide open for a modern sub sim, with the graphic's of SH-4. Also no sim at the moment (that I know of) includes the latest AIP subs, so with that in mind and knowing UBI it more then likely won't happen

. They could still make money out of SH 4 though by including add-on's, say to include US PT-boat's or playable RN - IJN subs.

tonibamestre · 10-22-07, 01:11 PM

Yeah, I give my vote for the modern age.A start could be the early Cold Era,followed by addons till reaching nowadays.
Have a look at Fighter Ops page and think about their filosophy.Something like that could be done touching the Naval theme,dont you think so?

mrbeast · 10-22-07, 02:00 PM

I think that the most promising areas that UBI colud exploit for another subsim would be either WWI or a modern 'what if' simulation.

I can see several problems with doing a Cold War era sim. For a start, unlike WWII which was rather convienient length, the Cold War lasted for decades. This raises the question of when do you set the sim? 40's/ 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's? Any historial missions are going to involve surviellance, agent drops and the like, maybe lifeguard duties, all the missions that most people seem to find a bit of a drag.

Captain Vlad · 10-22-07, 02:45 PM

[quote=TDK1044]

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

I think it's entirely possible that with the addition of the expansion pack for Silent Hunter 4, Ubisoft may close the book on the Silent Hunter series for now and choose to create a hypothetical modern day war sim as its next offering.

Probably so. Shame, though, as I think an 'early Cold War' era game could be fun...hypothetical conflicts do, after all, have the advantage of the devs being able to do whatever they wish when it comes to challenge progression.

Roger Dodger · 10-22-07, 04:17 PM

Cold War Era Subsim? Where's the drama? Tracking a Soviet Sub around the 7 seas just won't 'do it' for me. Its boring enough in SH4 taking over an hour game time just to get 'on station'.

After WWII, war ceased to be 'fun'. All push-button, SONAR guided/wire guided/RADAR guided, ASROCs and other missiles - in other words: B-O-R-I-N-G (all caps).

Sorry to be so negative, but the Cold War was boring beyond belief (at least as far as a Subsim).

On the positive, there have been a number of books written about Cold War Clandestine operations that are at least worth a READ (remember books?). My personal favorites were written by Patrick Robinson, and all are available on AudioBook form (cassette or CD).

List of Patrick Robinson Titles (* = I've personally read, ** = presently on order from the library)

* Nimitz Class
* Kilo Class
* H.M.S. Unseen
U.S.S. Seawolf
** Ghost Force
* Hunter Killer
** Barracuda 945
* The Shark Mutiny

Subject Keywords:
Submarines - Fiction
Hijacking of Ships - Fiction
Terrorism - Fiction

I just hope Osama doesn't read any of the above - it might give him 'ideas'.

Bulkhead · 10-23-07, 07:15 PM

Thanks guys, i still think there is alot of interessting aspect combined with a little modification to some of the historical accuracy, there could be fun to play. But it would be difficult to make.

It could work with something like silent hunter 2 and destroyer command. The way the two games could be played against echother...

Example: Submarine trying to do a mission at the same time trying to hide from frigates and destroyers looking for it. In this case the surface ships is also human playable as the subs.
To make the game total, maybe there could be torpedo or sonarboy dropping aircraft, or some other kind of aircraft....

Long story short: Several games based on the same platform and connected to the same multiplayer room.

I havent thought of the singelplayer side of it in the writing moment

10-21-07, 05:14 PM	#1
Bulkhead 中国水兵 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Norway, Hordaland Posts: 279 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 0	Cold war anyone?? A vote on this site its a question of what the next Silent Hunter series would be. And the question is what era the game should be about. The cold war. Say if the game was to be made, What would the missions be like? "Follow that sub sir". Or something like: mission objectives, spy on a russian missile sub. To make a game like this interresting to play i think is difficult. alot more parameters is needed. During the cold war there was no shooting of torpedoes or anything, they just followed ecthother. In short: the cold war was no real "war"!! Get my point?? All of this is from my point of wiev, feel free to have a totally other meaning about it. I would love to know what you guys think would make a game like that fun and interresting to play

10-21-07, 07:22 PM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Suggestion Backgammon, poker and foosball in the crew's lounge. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-21-07, 10:25 PM	#3
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I think to keep most people's interest you'd almost have to have a hypothetical war situation. It might, however, be possible to have several hypothetical war scenarios to involve yourself in, from a limited war around some Soviet or US client state to full-blown WWIII. I might also be possible to have the option to start a career during peacetime, and war starting at some random point during...you might get in a patrol or two doing peacetime stuff before the balloon goes up. If anyone remembers F-19 Stealth Fighter, it had options for 'Cold War' scenarios, which were the same, objective wise, as most of the open war assignements, but were scored differently. You no longer recieved points for destroying oppurtunity targets, you recieved them for remaining undetected by the enemy. Peacetime missions for a Cold War SH V could use similar logic, with higher renown rewards for doing whatever it is you're doing and no one spotting you. The possibilities for historical scenarios are great. Trips under the North Pole and such. I do hope that if Ubi-Soft decided to do such a thing, they put the era in the '50's and early '60's. GUPPY conversions, early nuke boats, and new-build diesel submarines of the era are far more interesting to me than more current stuff, which has had it's time in simulation sun many times anyway. __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

10-22-07, 02:26 AM	#5
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	If I get onto a 'they don't make 'em like they used to' rant, F-19 is inevitably one of the games I mention. It's also the reason I can still recognize portions of the Libyan and Iranian coastlines if they're 'flashcarded' to me. __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

10-22-07, 07:54 AM	#8
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Yep, you'd need a war of some kind. Tailing a soviet alpha ( or a chinese type 93 these days) does not hold the same tension it does in real life. Neither does playing an agressor boat with your own people or getting close enough to the coast to pick up radio traffic for your onboard spooks. Just not the same . . . Red Storm Rising was fun because you had to fight. Not many people toaday would buy into a US / Russian confrontation considering the condition of the Russian Navy. A fictional confrontation set in the past would not draw a whole lot of users. Nowadays you'd have to call it "Dragon rising", put it 20 years in the future against a Chinese fleet much larger than they have today. (And make no mistake, unless something changes, there will be a day we will be faced with this option. The Chinese are even more patient than the desert people, and they want Taiwan back- regardless of what they say publicly. They have been quoted as saying the biggest barrier to them moving into Taiwan is the US Navy. That one sentence explains their current building program.) __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

10-21-07, 10:42 PM	#4
Powerthighs Beach Leaf Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 287 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	F-19 Stealth Fighter was the bomb. One awesome aspect: If you were empty of ordinance and low on fuel, you could go up to 30,000 feet, turn off your engines, and maintain level flight. That allowed you to trade fuel for weapons in your loadout.

10-22-07, 08:22 AM	#10
:FI:Rabitski Mate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 51 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Well the market is wide open for a modern sub sim, with the graphic's of SH-4. Also no sim at the moment (that I know of) includes the latest AIP subs, so with that in mind and knowing UBI it more then likely won't happen . They could still make money out of SH 4 though by including add-on's, say to include US PT-boat's or playable RN - IJN subs.

10-22-07, 01:11 PM	#11
tonibamestre 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 271 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I give my vote for the modern age.A start could be the early Cold Era,followed by addons till reaching nowadays. Have a look at Fighter Ops page and think about their filosophy.Something like that could be done touching the Naval theme,dont you think so?

10-22-07, 02:00 PM	#12
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think that the most promising areas that UBI colud exploit for another subsim would be either WWI or a modern 'what if' simulation. I can see several problems with doing a Cold War era sim. For a start, unlike WWII which was rather convienient length, the Cold War lasted for decades. This raises the question of when do you set the sim? 40's/ 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's? Any historial missions are going to involve surviellance, agent drops and the like, maybe lifeguard duties, all the missions that most people seem to find a bit of a drag. __________________

10-22-07, 04:17 PM	#14
Roger Dodger Sonar Guy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 384 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	Cold War Era Subsim? Where's the drama? Tracking a Soviet Sub around the 7 seas just won't 'do it' for me. Its boring enough in SH4 taking over an hour game time just to get 'on station'. After WWII, war ceased to be 'fun'. All push-button, SONAR guided/wire guided/RADAR guided, ASROCs and other missiles - in other words: B-O-R-I-N-G (all caps). Sorry to be so negative, but the Cold War was boring beyond belief (at least as far as a Subsim). On the positive, there have been a number of books written about Cold War Clandestine operations that are at least worth a READ (remember books?). My personal favorites were written by Patrick Robinson, and all are available on AudioBook form (cassette or CD). List of Patrick Robinson Titles (* = I've personally read, ** = presently on order from the library) * Nimitz Class * Kilo Class * H.M.S. Unseen U.S.S. Seawolf ** Ghost Force * Hunter Killer ** Barracuda 945 * The Shark Mutiny Subject Keywords: Submarines - Fiction Hijacking of Ships - Fiction Terrorism - Fiction I just hope Osama doesn't read any of the above - it might give him 'ideas'. __________________

10-23-07, 07:15 PM	#15
Bulkhead 中国水兵 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Norway, Hordaland Posts: 279 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys, i still think there is alot of interessting aspect combined with a little modification to some of the historical accuracy, there could be fun to play. But it would be difficult to make. It could work with something like silent hunter 2 and destroyer command. The way the two games could be played against echother... Example: Submarine trying to do a mission at the same time trying to hide from frigates and destroyers looking for it. In this case the surface ships is also human playable as the subs. To make the game total, maybe there could be torpedo or sonarboy dropping aircraft, or some other kind of aircraft.... Long story short: Several games based on the same platform and connected to the same multiplayer room. I havent thought of the singelplayer side of it in the writing moment