Oh oh...not again

joea · 10-21-07, 03:31 PM

Well looks like they're back.

http://www.combatplanes.ca/silentss.htm

Modders check your mods.

Torplexed · 10-21-07, 03:47 PM

www.combatplagerizers? Possibly. It's happened before.

Ducimus · 10-21-07, 04:08 PM

Now raise your hand if your genuinly surprised? Im sure if you went through their features list and compared to available mods you'll find simularities in theme. The question then becomes are they the same files? Chances are if they were, then these guys were smart enough to alter them just enough for plausible deniability. Being realistic for a moment (some would call this being pessimistic), assuming this is X1 all over gain, i really don't think theres anything that can be done except a viral marketing/smear campaign.

Legally, i dont think any of us have a leg to stand on. For instance, ill pick on myself. Im the only one whos developed any sort of fix or work around for repeat patrol fixes. Its packaged in TM. But who is Ducimus? It could be anybody. Any Joey McRipoff can go to a messageboad, regester as Ducimus, and post the mod. Anybody could be Ducimus. Without a real name attached to it or some other way to estabish indisputeable proof of authorship, i dont think theres any real means of legal recourse.

Steel_Tomb · 10-21-07, 04:17 PM

Does anyone actually buy this crap? I mean seriously if they had any common sense they would search online through communities like this and get it for free. I also don't understand how companies can just leech mods from the net and publish it as their own work??!

hyperion2206 · 10-21-07, 04:21 PM

WTF, I'm not an expert on US subs but I'm pretty sure that never existed in RL:

Quote:

A new experimental GATO class is available in 1944, with submerged speed increased to 15 knots.

I guess that was possible but AFTER the war had ended and the US got a hold on German technology.

tater · 10-21-07, 04:52 PM

Campaign steals would be easy to spot if they are ICL or RSRD since the randomly generated zig-zags are literally a fingerprint. lurker or I could run any of our working layers for either mod through the ACE with the exact same script he used for his release, and I used for mine, and the layers would look different every time. His more than mine, actually, because I think he randomized the contact reports and spawn rates more than I did.

None the less, who cares? How many could they possibly sell? Anyone looking hard enough to find their site would have first found subsim, and realized they could get better stuff for free.

The only really interesting stuff they have (to me) are ships. They look to be fairly simple (for the folks who do such stuff) bashes of stock ships. When S3D does 3d, many more of us will be capable of such ship bashing I bet.

tater

mrbeast · 10-21-07, 05:04 PM

The ships are pretty poor really, about as good as that Tenyru CL thats on the mods list, ie they don't look much like the ships they are supposed to.

Take, Tone its missing a turret, so the really unique point of her and her sister, the fact that they had 4 turrets fore, isn't there. The Matsu DE has the wrong turrets too. Thats even worse as the correct HA 5" turrets are already available in SH4! Just shows that they took only a most casual reguard to ressearch.

MONOLITH · 10-21-07, 05:10 PM

*Waves to Ducimus*

Welcome back.

AVGWarhawk · 10-21-07, 05:48 PM

Yep, history to repeat itself. Just swell, just great

AVGWarhawk · 10-21-07, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Does anyone actually buy this crap? I mean seriously if they had any common sense they would search online through communities like this and get it for free. I also don't understand how companies can just leech mods from the net and publish it as their own work??!

You will find it happened in SH3.

bigboywooly · 10-21-07, 06:33 PM

They are indeed very lazy
IIRC they used Sergs Southampton class cruiser for SH3 and just renamed it to Gloucester class
Serg could marry up the IDs to his exactly

The new content was just cloned and played with anyway
Sure its not as good as the mods you will find here BUT not everyone comes here
These add ons are UBI sanctioned and will find their way to Amazon etc where ppl will buy them

Meh

EDIT
As these are UBI sanctioned addons why release one before the new patch :hmm:

FIREWALL · 10-21-07, 07:17 PM

Good to see ya Duce.

Who is this asshat " duckamess " and what kinda crap is he sellin.

John Channing · 10-21-07, 07:27 PM

I have a funny feeing I am wasting my breath, but I gotta try anyway.

Any chance we could keep at least a thin veneer of civility on this discussion until someone is in posession of all of the facts?

Any chance at all?

JCC

Takao · 10-21-07, 07:51 PM

Talk about a cheap hatchet job. Has anyone looked at the ship screenies for the Tone and Mogami class heavy cruisers. The Tone had four main turrets all mounted forward of the superstructure, the screen cap shows a modified Mogami model mounting only three turrets. The Mogami cruiser, I'm guessing, is supposed to be based on the ship prior to the Japanese converting her to a seaplane carrier. But the screen cap shows the turrets mounted on the flight deck.

This is certainly not the kind of quality I would pay for.

tater · 10-21-07, 07:56 PM

Yeah, the ships are the kind of Q&D stand-ins that might be useful while waiting for a real model.

Like my use of Evarts with all the guns, sailors, etc, changed to IJN stuff for a Kaibokan C/D. (worth what you paid for it

Took 15 minutes, and fills a need. When we get a real one (and we will

, it will go away.

tater

10-21-07, 03:31 PM	#1
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Oh oh...not again Well looks like they're back. http://www.combatplanes.ca/silentss.htm Modders check your mods.

10-21-07, 03:47 PM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	www.combatplagerizers? Possibly. It's happened before. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

10-21-07, 04:17 PM	#4
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Does anyone actually buy this crap? I mean seriously if they had any common sense they would search online through communities like this and get it for free. I also don't understand how companies can just leech mods from the net and publish it as their own work??! __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

10-21-07, 05:04 PM	#7
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The ships are pretty poor really, about as good as that Tenyru CL thats on the mods list, ie they don't look much like the ships they are supposed to. Take, Tone its missing a turret, so the really unique point of her and her sister, the fact that they had 4 turrets fore, isn't there. The Matsu DE has the wrong turrets too. Thats even worse as the correct HA 5" turrets are already available in SH4! Just shows that they took only a most casual reguard to ressearch. __________________

10-21-07, 05:10 PM	#8
MONOLITH Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 997 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Waves to Ducimus Welcome back. __________________

10-21-07, 04:08 PM	#3
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Now raise your hand if your genuinly surprised? Im sure if you went through their features list and compared to available mods you'll find simularities in theme. The question then becomes are they the same files? Chances are if they were, then these guys were smart enough to alter them just enough for plausible deniability. Being realistic for a moment (some would call this being pessimistic), assuming this is X1 all over gain, i really don't think theres anything that can be done except a viral marketing/smear campaign. Legally, i dont think any of us have a leg to stand on. For instance, ill pick on myself. Im the only one whos developed any sort of fix or work around for repeat patrol fixes. Its packaged in TM. But who is Ducimus? It could be anybody. Any Joey McRipoff can go to a messageboad, regester as Ducimus, and post the mod. Anybody could be Ducimus. Without a real name attached to it or some other way to estabish indisputeable proof of authorship, i dont think theres any real means of legal recourse.

10-21-07, 04:52 PM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Campaign steals would be easy to spot if they are ICL or RSRD since the randomly generated zig-zags are literally a fingerprint. lurker or I could run any of our working layers for either mod through the ACE with the exact same script he used for his release, and I used for mine, and the layers would look different every time. His more than mine, actually, because I think he randomized the contact reports and spawn rates more than I did. None the less, who cares? How many could they possibly sell? Anyone looking hard enough to find their site would have first found subsim, and realized they could get better stuff for free. The only really interesting stuff they have (to me) are ships. They look to be fairly simple (for the folks who do such stuff) bashes of stock ships. When S3D does 3d, many more of us will be capable of such ship bashing I bet. tater

10-21-07, 05:48 PM	#9
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yep, history to repeat itself. Just swell, just great __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-21-07, 06:33 PM	#11
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	They are indeed very lazy IIRC they used Sergs Southampton class cruiser for SH3 and just renamed it to Gloucester class Serg could marry up the IDs to his exactly The new content was just cloned and played with anyway Sure its not as good as the mods you will find here BUT not everyone comes here These add ons are UBI sanctioned and will find their way to Amazon etc where ppl will buy them Meh EDIT As these are UBI sanctioned addons why release one before the new patch :hmm: __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-21-07, 07:17 PM	#12
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Good to see ya Duce. Who is this asshat " duckamess " and what kinda crap is he sellin. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

10-21-07, 07:27 PM	#13
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	I have a funny feeing I am wasting my breath, but I gotta try anyway. Any chance we could keep at least a thin veneer of civility on this discussion until someone is in posession of all of the facts? Any chance at all? JCC

10-21-07, 07:51 PM	#14
Takao Officer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 244 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Talk about a cheap hatchet job. Has anyone looked at the ship screenies for the Tone and Mogami class heavy cruisers. The Tone had four main turrets all mounted forward of the superstructure, the screen cap shows a modified Mogami model mounting only three turrets. The Mogami cruiser, I'm guessing, is supposed to be based on the ship prior to the Japanese converting her to a seaplane carrier. But the screen cap shows the turrets mounted on the flight deck. This is certainly not the kind of quality I would pay for.

10-21-07, 07:56 PM	#15
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, the ships are the kind of Q&D stand-ins that might be useful while waiting for a real model. Like my use of Evarts with all the guns, sailors, etc, changed to IJN stuff for a Kaibokan C/D. (worth what you paid for it Took 15 minutes, and fills a need. When we get a real one (and we will , it will go away. tater